Whenever I come out Atheist .. they assume I must have no ethics or morals whatsoever and that I am willing to do just about anything --- like lie, cheat and steal.

Anyone else have this happen to them?

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Hey Joan!

Thanks for that wonderful post on the fundamental errors of religions. I had not seen that yet.

I sure do appreciate it!

I'm glad you like this piece, Steph. I developed the concept when working with battered women who were in prison in the 1980s. It helped them to recognize how their cultural expectations bound them to submission by imposing religious imperatives to which they felt required to submit. The resulting anxiety and depression and frustration led them to make stupid choices not in their self-interest. Most of their offenses were doing things their lovers or husbands demanded of them, thefts, drugs, etc. They seemed not able to distinguish right from wrong or make decisions about things not in their self interest. 

Imagine, if you will, a woman being put down, discounted, trivialized, believing that her man was a god-head and that she was to submit to him as her head. She thought he had the right to domination her and her responsibility was to submit. Distorted? By all means, but that is the way religious dogma used against vulnerable women works.  

The 7th error came to me recently as I was trying to put into words the role of obedience in dominance, why it was so powerfully used against women.

I decided against teaching obedience to authority to my children, except in issues like running into the street or safety. I didn't want my children to learn to obey orders from some other power or person. I wanted them to learn how to think for themselves and make decisions without submitting to authority. 

They are great problem solvers and conflict resolvers; they had to learn the skills required to make good decisions very early and those skills serve them well as adults. 

I suppose that will be in your book Joan. I agree that theist women are taught to be submissive.

Ok well that explains it.

If god/goddess made made man to obey, he/she made a mistake. Free thought. Does anyone think he/she couldn't see that coming. Not a smart move on his/her part unless he/she just likes to cause pain.

I agree Jonathan. I was raised that women were not to be equal with men. It really bothered me even as a theist.

I know this sounds different, however, learned dependence does no one any good. Of course the very young need supervision, but not to be trained as one would train a dog or a seal. We don't want to raise children, we raise adults. I think we all know adults who never could catch on to the trick of growing into adults.  

Yes you are right. I do know some people who never really grew up. They still act like kids.
Come to think of it religion is learned dependence. I had not thought of it that way. Religion as a crutch is not good, I agree.

Steph, I didn't realize that either. I was kind of like a goldfish swimming round and round in a fish bowl, not recognizing water. I swam in the bowl of religion and didn't recognize it's limitations placed upon me until I became aware. That fish has no such opportunity. 

Joan that is exactly what happened to me. I did not recognize religions' true harm until I was out of it and looking at it from "outside the box".

Steph, We are legion!

LEGION 3: a very large number : multitude





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