OBAMA CARE...So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. This is a statement of our most basic individual rights. Over the centuries our human rights have been abused and eroded but always one could still say (...most of the time, in this country...) one could mind their own business and be left totally alone to live their life with no interference from anyone. But with this new health care bill, soon everyone will have to pay a fee to the government, or insurance company, for being alive.

...our last tiny bit of absolute liberty will be erased.

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Thanks, Johnsky, we made it ourselves out of papier mache. Not sure about the name thing, though. Rockyssissippalachia is kind of a mouthful. Maybe Cantankerania? Orneryland?
Thank you Johnsky. And while it's nice that America wades tentatively into the pool of civilized nations that do indeed ensure life (health), liberty (health enough to work and be productive and contribute to the GDP) and pursuit of happiness (health enough to enjoy life activities), I must also apologize.

I'm sorry on behalf of the Ralphs in our country who don't understand the words they use like swear words, such a 'socialism.' The Ralphs of the country who would confuse basic human rights for government tyranny. The Ralphs of the world who can not be bothered to acquire a third grade knowledge of the issues which they profess to protest.

I'm sorry that we collectively come off as a bunch of bratty three year olds, stamping our feet because someone else's human need interferes with our selfish non-needs.

PS - he is a fundie Xtian who tells me I have no morals because morals can only come from his god.


Funny how Republican and Fundamental Christian seem to fit together so very often.


... I wonder what they're doing in a democratic country... seeing as they can't seem to handle a majority winning in a voting system.
What saddens me as someone from Illinois (Land of Lincoln) is what the hell happened to the Republican party?
They should be the ones pushing individual freedom, not theocracy; strong and useful federal government not the new do nothing party and when I hear these idiots talk about Secession I wish the big Lincoln statue would get up and slap them around a bit with the original Republican platform.
most of the time "smart" people aren't smart. It is one of the great travesties of the US educational system. Intelligence has fucking nothing to do with success. I have met some people here who are unemployed who probably have double the IQ of many Ivy League politicians.

Life has nothing to do with effort, capability, or qualification. It is all luck: Luck in the way you're raised and the connections you have. A lot of the 4.0s I know are complete brainwashed idiots. People succeed because they do what the system commands them to.

Just thought I needed to fume about that....sorry its off topic.
One of my buttons... Xtians, especially fundies, often say things like that. But you notice that they don't actually FOLLOW the Law of Moses, and don't actually FOLLOW the NT teachings of Jesus, and don't even pretend to try. They have theology that says they don't have to, that they are "saved by faith/Grace, and not by works." Judaism is about following God's Law, Xtianity is about Believing In Jesus and thereby getting a blanket amnesty for NOT following God's Law. So even by their own theory, there is no reason to expect Xtians to be more moral than atheists.
900 Billion to health care yes, but what about the 900 billion spent so far on the iraq and afganistan wars? How come the GOP didnt complain about that one? The cost of war will be in the multiple trillions by the time the health care bill comes into action, and yet the GOP seems fine with shelling out their dollars to that "cause", and doesnt see how a massive privatized military (IE Blackwater) threatens their freedom. All those no bid contracts awarded to Halliburton? no?

The GOP seems to either have a severe case of group Alzheimer's, or they are just plain un-edu-ma-cat-ed.
This is great. And you know some people will get all the more pissed off!
Right wingers are getting themselves bent out of shape over this "fee" (tax really). I'd like them to name one state where you are not required to purchase auto insurance if you wish to drive. If this is enough to destroy liberty, then it died in this nation long ago.
Good call, I had forgotten about car insurance. But I guess technically...you don't 'have' to drive.
True, but if that's the only thing separating the two obligations, then I think we're quibbling over a very minor difference. People wanting to driving in this nation, must purchase car insurance or potentially go to jail; in this nation, that's tantamount to charge a fee for breathing given the difficulty of life without a car. Truth be told, this health insurance "fee" is in fact a tax and gets paid via the IRS (deducted from any tax return you might receive or added to the taxes you might owe). It's not something that I'm particularly happy with (a lot about this bill disappoints me), but I believe (just my opinion) that it's better than the status quo.

Of course, the notion that OBAMACARE is the end of liberty in this nation is such grand hyperbole that it almost makes me ill. I understand that many people view this bill as financially irresponsible (and maybe their right), but describing it as tyranny (not to say you have) is irresponsible and IMO foul.

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