This is to continue the discussion of Objectivism from the front page. Some basic info:

Ayn Rand (1905-1982) (wikipedia) was a Russian immigrant, author, screenwriter and creator of the philosophy called "Objectivism", which advocates selfishness as a virtue and denounces altruism. 

Among her writings are The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, both of which have been turned into feature films.

Despite her atheism, Rand is popular among Tea Party conservatives because of her anti-tax stance.  

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan was a personal friend of Rand.

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Hyperbole!  You always do that!

> why are all the doctors and scientists moving here as soon as the ink is dry on their doctorates?


The United Kingdom has more foreign doctors than all other European countries for which figures are available (Ireland, France, Germany, Norway, Portugal, Italy, Austria and Poland)...European countries with the highest percentage of doctors working abroad are Ireland (47.5%, or 10,065 doctors) and Malta (23.1%, 376 doctors). 

There is a lot of wiggle room in there, but I think if all English doctors came here, England would beat Ireland in the second statistic.  And if England were so bad, the "foreign doctors" would come here instead, so the UK would not be winning in the first statistic.

I should really be working instead of doing this stuff.

Yup, I've heard that comparison, as well.  There are many meta-attributes of healthier, more successful societies which are quite telling.

A fun Google search is "usa founders against religion".  Contrary to Evangelical mythology, few of our Founders were practicing Christians, and more than a few had very bad things to say about theocracy.  They were a little before Robespierre, but still closer historically to high points of Western culture like John Calvin burning political enemies at the stake in Geneva.  Not to mention the Salem witch trials.  I wonder if the Adams boys were embarrassed about that one.

> it argues that secular societies are more successful than religious ones.

It's an indication of how thoroughly the nuts are winning that we even find such a claim notable,

Yeah, no kidding.  I think the writers of the Constitution were majority deist/atheist ... although admittedly most of those were deists.  In a modern, scientific age, though, most of those deists would be atheists.


And those who were Christian were mostly against theocracy, after seeing what it was like in Europe.

I should be ashamed replying to my own message, but this quote is irresistible:

> Episcopal minister Bird Wilson of Albany, New York, protested in October 1831: "Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."

The Unitarian comment makes it funny.

Heh, nice.

Heh.  Okay, let's flip a coin.  Which of us was being oblivious?  :-D


You know me so well. :D

I call edge.
It's bound to happen eventually.

A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates
that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned
or regulated by the community as a whole

Therefore all businesses are owned or regulated by the government
as is all the money .

Is this not correct? Is this what you advocate Joseph P?

Ownership or regulation, by the community as a whole, of the means of production, distribution, and exchange is not even vaguely synonymous with "government ownership of all the property," as you said earlier.


Is this what you advocate Joseph P?

Go and reread the second to last paragraph of my last post.  I don't think you got it the first time.


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