Opinions anyone? The more I hear about it the more I appreciate it. Yeah, sure it's like the tea partiers, except these people seem to be more invested and willing to stay to make a point. It's all Rush and Beck can whine about lately, and despite the few advocating anarchy and communism, the main message seems to be about releasing this country from the strangle hold that business and corporations have on government. It's been a long time coming...

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Just for the record I'm pretty sure that I can replace your race card with my race card and the statement will be basically the same. What exactly is it about your particular race/heritage makes you so much better at deciding what is American and what is Anti-American. By the definition that you have given, the fact that I can go and vote is "anti-American" because at one point in time trying to gain complete freedom for African Americans was considered "anti-American and to go against the democratic ideals at it's core" We were nothing but stupid savages who needed to work and keep our noses out of white business lol.


So basically your definition and your attempt to back your attempt by tossing your race card in bold letters (for emphasis I presume?) has been voided by mine lol. Please try again sir.

Sassan, I am a little old lady who experienced the Great Depression, and watched our daddies go off to World War II, I learned about freedom, justice, a nation of laws not men, loyalty, dependability, resourcefulness, sacrifice, patriotism as many USA citizens did.  We know corruption in our capitalist system is real and we constantly maintain our vigilance to keep USA true to its values.  For you to imply that protest, or resistance, or skepticism or organizing is "un-American" reveals your naivete.  That is exactly what the USA Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights address.  


Perhaps USA is not as bad as other countries;  are other countries the measure of our greatness?  Or is it that individuals are able and willing to stand up in face of corruption, or resist exploitation wherever it occurs, or refuse to be dominated by those who lie, cheat, steal, or bully us.  


I personally take offense when lumped in with those you call un-American.  I take seriously my responsibility to resist and protest;  to do otherwise is un-American.  I also work hard at being the kind of citizen I believe my country calls me to be.  

"The concentration of wealth and power among a chosen elite is as anti-American as it gets. It also is unsustainable."  -David Goodfriend

Forgive me for intruding on an interesting conversation, but I do have a question because you all seem a bit more educated on this movement than I probably am.

So from looking at all of the graphs what I seem to be seeing is an issue with the fact that the top 1% of this country has an unbelievable amount of money and from looking at the pictures I do catch a good bit of the redistribution of wealth type of ideals. And I noticed a bit of discrepancy with the whole what do you define as "American" question so I'll try to not confuse the two issues with my question.


Is it not a part of the American Dream to be able to start up a company and become hugely successful, even if you are screwing people over and buying out all of your potential competition as far as you can to stay within the boundaries of the anti-trust and anti monopoly laws?

If the answer to the above is yes, then how do we, as citizens of this country, find a way to moderate this scenario?

If your answer to the first question is no, then how do we, as citizens, deal with this problem besides protesting because we all know that simply just protesting won't do much of anything.

Oh and feel free to correct me if you feel that my basic premise is wrong. I have a tendency to do that from time to time

Hey Madison, welcome to the conversation. I'm glad you took the time to look through the graphs and EVIDENCE (ahem) of what is really going on and to take an interest in understanding the problems. I would answer you that yes, it is a part of the American dream to be an entrepeneur and strike it rich, but no, not even if you are screwing over people while doing it. Yes, that's how it's often been done, but that is not a "dream", that is more of a nightmare and we as a people ought to do everything we can to ensure that people are good to each other above all, in that they provide a service with their businesses and do not exist simply to be a drain on society and a poison to others. Anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws exist because there is a need to ensure that people play fair and stay within the rules, not because the rules are there arbitrarily but because their intent is to make our society better. If those laws are not doing that job well enough, then it is up to us as a people to try to get those laws changed so that they do make our country, and the world, a better place to live in. Sound good?


Protesting is one of the first steps towards enacting change. I hope you don't think the civil rights protests, or the women's rights protests, etc., didn't do much of anything? At this point, I strongly believe that an issue of this magnitude is going to be very much the same as these social movements in that it is going to require a lot of time, energy, resources, and political will to change the status quo. And if/when it succeeds, people will look at this movement and this generation and say that we did as much for society as any of the other movements which came before us, and that we made a real positive difference.


One of the things YOU can do, if you are as struck by the economic injustice of these times, when bankers can blow up the economy trying to be uber-greedy, then get bailed out on tax-payer money, and then proceed to foreclose on people's homes and receive staggering bonuses as if what they did was in any way to be considered "good", is to go to getmoneyout.com and sign the petition for a constitutional amendment separating money from politics. We need to break up the unholy alliance between business and government and get the government working for the people again, so that our children can grow up in a country where they have a decent chance of starting their own businesses and becoming successful, wealthy even, and most importantly, can feel proud of their accomplishments and their contributions to society.

Thanks bud, this is obviously something I am really passionate about. And good luck in Afghanistan man, sorry to hear you have to go over there. Drop me a line when you get back! How long is your tour?
Good luck and thanks for your service

Very well said indeed. And I have already signed the petition so I'm good to go on that front. The biggest reason I said that protesting won't do much of anything is because I'm an idiot and forgot to type "on its own" lol.


Also, the biggest difference that I see between this movement and the Civil Rights movement and the Women's Rights movement is that this one has the potential to hurt powerful people's pockets and from what I've read in history, they have a habit of getting kind of stabby about those kinds of things.


Other than that what I'm getting from what you said kind of agrees with my new personal policy when it comes to elections. I've been voting for the person who I feel can run the government well and who hasn't been in that particular office before.


So long story short I agree with you lol. Oh and aren't we still waiting on Sassan to give his definition of American?


I support Occupy Wallstreet. I believe that there are times when the government must help especially in creating jobs and job training. We are all in this together. No handouts to those who are capable of working but do not. Ironically, it is the corporations who get the handouts with very little given back in return to the  US tax payer. The corportations do not see their role as to sustain America. They make profits at the expense of our health, environment and wellbeing. They must be held accountable in maintaining ethical standards. If left to their own devices they will make their money and move on to the next money making venture without any moral compass.
When has government created sustainable jobs? Government is a burden to the market place. Government is never good at creating jobs and wealth - it hinders it.
Ever hear of FDR's New Deal. Granted it wasn't as successful as it could've been, but that is just one example that I can think of off the top of my head


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