“In the beginning, nearly 14 billion years ago, all the space and all the matter and all the energy of the known universe was contained in a volume less than one trillionth the size of the period that ends this sentence.”
— Neil deGrasse Tyson in Astrophysics for People in a Hurry, opening p‘graph
Unsure? Test Tyson’s tale.
Try crushing a rock in one hand until it’s smaller than it is.
It should be easy; 99.99% of the rock is empty of matter.
Why doesn’t it crush?
Actually i would imagine virgin birthers are hardcore fundamentalists and if they have even a dim bulb will realize it is not the account in genesis. So i don't think a majority will...
Cosmology is the creation of scientific mythology....overstated probably...but alice in wonderland here they come..
Big bang is headed for the trash heap of bad scientific notions.
Frankie, I read several people who say what you say, "Big bang headed for the trash heap of bad scientific notions." Can you give me a rationale for why you say that?
I can believe the notion that something can come from nothing, as the Big Bang implies. I can imagine ways there can be no universe one second, and there can be one in an instant. Take, for example, the notion of branes*, of parallel universes, or of an explosion that produces some form of energy that can, over time, through magnetism or whatever, result in the stuff of making stars. Every time I see a video of an atomic bomb detonated, a tremendous cloud of energy results. Could that not be the same kind of action that would be an explosion that resulted in a matter with the potential of forming clouds, and stars, and planets, and moons?
*In string theory and related theories such as supergravity theories, a brane is a physical object that generalizes the notion of a point particle to higher dimensions. Branes are dynamical objects which can propagate through spacetime according to the rules of quantum mechanics. They have mass and can have other attributes such as charge."
The Lobster Nebula, "The surrounding nebula, featured here, holds a complex tapestry of gas, dark dust, stars still forming, and newly born stars. The intricate patterns are caused by complex interactions between interstellar winds, radiation pressures, magnetic fields, and gravity."
I am not an astronomer, nor an electrical engineer, nor a physicist, nor an astrophysicist. I have my degrees in behavioral science which do not prepare me for debates on whether the Big Bang is ready for the dustbin. Furthermore, I do not think it is necessary for me to understand how the universe came into being. What does interest me is how I treat others and what I expect from others. I think regarding the philosophy of the bee: it goes from flower to flower to gather nourishment and in the process pollinates flora of all kinds that sexually reproduce. The bee does not wake up in the morning, rub his front arms together, and say, "I wonder why I have to collect pollen today." The bee does what a bee does, and in the process, we have blossoms of trees, fruits, vegetables, and grass made fertile.
Joan i can't be particularly cogent on this topic. When I first heard the theory I thought it highly probable it would be discredited. The cosmos is so far beyond our Ken that we may never understand it. Perhaps when AI spawns super intelligence it will happen.
The big bang theory requires assumptions and that makes me dubious. If we are going to posit knowledge of ultimate causation we ought not have to create fiction to make it plausible. And while I like your analogy to the bomb ya have to concede that the universe has rather a barrel ass and is rotund in the extreme. Thus the small to big through physics stretches credulity.
Here's a tender tune dedicated to Tom.
(We who are about to drink salute you.)
Bert, I miss many words of pop songs and on 1/11 will be tested for a hearing aid.
I will ask the Internet for the text of zappa’s song. If I get it I will know what he’s saying and know whether to thank you or say s’thing else. (grin)
@Tom - I totally suck at getting song lyrics too.
Bert, my lyrics. All it needs is music and two front teeth.
“His dad was a big city butcheri,
A Mom, Pop, and Kids place it was.
But the kid says he’ll keep on shovin’
More of that old Cosmic Debris
Way up those Bangers’ snouts.”
Outstanding lyrics, Tom.
I need a little translation, are you willing and able to help me out? What does the line,
"An' yer ol' lady has just gone down. .. "?
The “An yer ol’ lady....” line is Zappa’s, Joan.
He may see meaning in it.
OK! I thought it might be a jargon word that had a meaning you gentlemen would know. I shall ask Zappa what it means. Thanks. Laura loves your response; I guess I will too if the fine gentleman answers my question.
I have a letter my great-grandfather wrote to his son and he wrote, "The old lady died last week" meaning my great-grandmother.
OH! You guys are special, thanks for letting me in on your high jinks! You made my new years evening fun.