As many of you know, sometimes people (before they die) claim to have seen a spiritual entity which could have been a deceased loved one, or a religious figure. I read that these can even sometimes occur about a month before the person dies, or they can occur one hour before the person dies. People in favour of NDEs and deathbed visions like Peter Fenwick and Pim Van Lommel would argue that these cannot be hallucinations, as hallucinations would not be as clear, and they would not be calming and comforting. Rather they would be quick, scary to some people. They also say that medication cannot cause these sensations. What do you guys think?

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I STILL say you're talking about human senses is a far less than optimum state, starved of oxygen and potentially failing catastrophically.  Why anyone would trust their senses in such a state is beyond me.

I agree! 

When the brain is dying and oxygen is diminishing the actor's visions are colored by the images that have been imprinted during their lives. 

I had an out of body expiruence which it felt like I was floating away from my body and I saw myself. Then I saw everything in patterns and bright colors. This what people probably think when they go to heavenn. It was cool

Gwen, I too have had OBE's and once trained myself for them. They are cool and also neat, but again they do not prove anything. Imagine that someone touched you on the toe and you felt that touch on your forehead. An OBE is similar to that but all in the mind. They are useful for certain things but not practical and by no means do they provide truthful information realistically. This is why world governments have abandoned studies of them.

Well folks, there is no heaven to go to. The visions come out of wishful thinking, strong desire, and a lifetime of imprinted mental images working with a brain that is shutting down slowly. If you have no exact imagery the brain will  make it up. The best we can say is that it is comforting. It's hard to figure out why people study NDE's and keep coming back with this nonsense.

Let's take another look in a different light. Suppose you had never been to Paris but you are so excited about going there that you imagine it in great detail, then come and tell others about it way before you have made the trip. Should they believe you? Would they have any reason to believe it?

Believers want to all stand up and claim that an NDE is not like that at all. They argue for their claims but seem to forget that "near death" is not death at all. This is important because the dead do not come back. Not now, not once, not ever.

Having approached death a number of times, I call BS on any idea of an NDE. At least in my very real experience.

I cannot speak for others.




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