As many of you know, sometimes people (before they die) claim to have seen a spiritual entity which could have been a deceased loved one, or a religious figure. I read that these can even sometimes occur about a month before the person dies, or they can occur one hour before the person dies. People in favour of NDEs and deathbed visions like Peter Fenwick and Pim Van Lommel would argue that these cannot be hallucinations, as hallucinations would not be as clear, and they would not be calming and comforting. Rather they would be quick, scary to some people. They also say that medication cannot cause these sensations. What do you guys think?

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I STILL say you're talking about human senses is a far less than optimum state, starved of oxygen and potentially failing catastrophically.  Why anyone would trust their senses in such a state is beyond me.

I agree! 

When the brain is dying and oxygen is diminishing the actor's visions are colored by the images that have been imprinted during their lives. 

   One time I did have an experience that is described as NDE.

This I confirmed with a friend who himself had a NDE. My friend was undergoing surgery for perforated peptic ulcer and for a few minutes he was 'dead' meaning his heart stopped, no pulse or anything.Obviously he pulled through and eventually he was able to share his NDE. Yes, he felt all the love surrounding him, he saw his mother in law (he was very close to her) and experienced the white light.

So, I know I experienced that exact same thing...(minus the mother in law). For me it was an amazing ride. All white, all love, ecstasy , it was an all encompassing knowledge. I didn't see Jesus or God. I did not want to come back. I am getting goosebumps about it right now. What happened to me to cause this experience? I passed out. The nurse was withdrawing blood from me and my head started spinning. I said to her, "I think I am passing ou...." and I was out.

Now another experience I would like to relate to you... in my lifetime I've had over 10 surgeries. The longest was 3.5 hours. Not at one time did I experience NDE like episode. I wonder why though.

 But by accident I have met two other people who also had NDE, but was afraid to say anything about it simply because theirs was vastly different from what the general population accepted version. They used to belong to a church but after their NDE they quit.

As for me, I think it has to do with the brain releasing certain chemicals, some call it DMT, to lesson the brain and body's shock of dying. Although I wasn't dying, perhaps my brain misfired and I got high.

I had an out of body expiruence which it felt like I was floating away from my body and I saw myself. Then I saw everything in patterns and bright colors. This what people probably think when they go to heavenn. It was cool

Gwen, I too have had OBE's and once trained myself for them. They are cool and also neat, but again they do not prove anything. Imagine that someone touched you on the toe and you felt that touch on your forehead. An OBE is similar to that but all in the mind. They are useful for certain things but not practical and by no means do they provide truthful information realistically. This is why world governments have abandoned studies of them.

Well folks, there is no heaven to go to. The visions come out of wishful thinking, strong desire, and a lifetime of imprinted mental images working with a brain that is shutting down slowly. If you have no exact imagery the brain will  make it up. The best we can say is that it is comforting. It's hard to figure out why people study NDE's and keep coming back with this nonsense.

Let's take another look in a different light. Suppose you had never been to Paris but you are so excited about going there that you imagine it in great detail, then come and tell others about it way before you have made the trip. Should they believe you? Would they have any reason to believe it?

Believers want to all stand up and claim that an NDE is not like that at all. They argue for their claims but seem to forget that "near death" is not death at all. This is important because the dead do not come back. Not now, not once, not ever.

Having approached death a number of times, I call BS on any idea of an NDE. At least in my very real experience.

I cannot speak for others.

 I agree with Michael Penn....  NDE are not the correct words to describe these phenomenas...




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