The original thread is gone. That would be my bad.

Here's what happened, told in my usual verbose parenthetical style. If you just want to get on with it, skip past the italics.

I originally registered for Atheist Nexus last Sunday after listening to a Chariots of Iron podcast where AN was mentioned, while on a bus from Wilmington NC to Washington DC following the Christmas holiday. Since I was using my Motorola Droid (which is cooler than shit, by the way) I actually registered on the bus using this hand-held computer, browser and Twittering system with GPS cabability with which, I'm told, you can also make phone calls with.

I have two Gmail accounts, one using my given name which syncs directly with Google Calendar and Google Docs and I use mostly for work, family and my capacity as director of the National Association of Hen Teasers (I can get a chicken from head-under-wing asleep to apoplectic in 30 seconds, but anyway...) and the other is associated with my site and the nom de guerre "Mykeru" (which is a story in itself). Being too lazy to switch accounts, I registered using the email for my given name and thought that I could fill in the pseudonym later. Which I did. What I didn't realize was that the underlying architecture of Atheist Nexus was a tool of Satan and used my initial registration to create a URL using my given name.

Now, keep in mind that I'm an atheist, a recovered alcoholic and an incorrigible asshole who tends to overshare anyway, so although I can't keep everything separate, I try not to make things easy for fuck nozzles who use Google as the groundwork for being complete assholes. Seriously, once I had right-wing nutbags get my name from the domain information on my site, when it was poorly protected by RCN and cause all sorts of mischief. I since changed from HTML to WordPress and moved the whole operation to Laughing Squid, who not only protect anonymity better, but just love a good bogus DMCA notice that they can chew up and spit back into some lawyers face.

Plus, and this is important, by using the Mykeru brand name, I can be even more of a pain in the ass than I already am.

I'm about to reboot my site and I would like to have the ability to link to my page on AN without giving the whole game away. I tried to change the URL in the settings, no good. I changed the email, but still the URL held my name. I sent a couple "issue" reports to AN, but no response.

I was spending more time trying to deal with this dumb quirk "through channels" than it really deserved in terms of redoing my profile. So before I added too much content I decided to just delete my registration and re-register making sure that the mark of quality that is "Mykeru" was used. I figured I would have to redo my profile, add my picture again and make friends all over again.
I didn't. Miraculously, when the re-register was approved, the page came back with all settings, links and what have you intact.

However, and I didn't expect this: The fucking thread "Religion vs. Spirituality" was gone. Just gone. I thought maybe, if anything, my remarks might disappear, making it sort of one-sided, but the entire thing was gone.

So, for everyone who contributed to that thread, offered their thoughts and opinions, whether they were really stupid or not, I apologize profusely. Although I don't have a problem with my writing in that thread being deleted, there is no way that I intended the same for everyone else who contributed.

I fully accept whatever punishment is coming to me, especially if you are anything from a 20-something girl to a cougar in the metro Washington DC area with an extensive latex wardrobe and really like horned guys with creepy lemur eyes.

So, where were we? The thread began relating religion to spirituality and degenerated into an exercise in lexicography and Howard's fuck-all worthless opinion.

So, taking it from there:

1. Does the term "spiritual" necessarily involve the supernatural? I claim it does and people who use it in any other way are just too lazy to use a dictionary. Is using the term for the non-supernatural just sloppy language? Is using it aiding and abetting the religious by at the very least seeming to be fellow travellers?

2. Can one be an atheist and not be a skeptic towards the supernatural? This is the reverse of the case I hear reported at the last The Amazing Meeting (TAM) where Matt Dillahunty of The Atheist Experience recounts that the "skeptics" in attendance were told to lay off those skeptics who were also theists. I can't disagree more with that, and think those kid gloves represents another example of religion getting a pass. But is the reverse true: Can one be a critical atheist, whose lack of belief is derived from rational grounds and not also be a skeptic when it comes to the "spiritual"?

3. Is Atheist Nexus' underlying architecture a tool of Satan?

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Hahahah!! That is awesome, Fred! Only thing is, when I read that, I saw exactly the opposite! I see the fundamentalists (atheist or otherwise) as wanting to be the Masters of the Meanings of Words.

Of course everyone speaks from their own perspective. To me it just gets ridiculous when people presume to be experts on others' perspectives. If, however, you are a total loudmouth about your "expertise" about others' beliefs, then you have clearly identified yourself as an ass, in my opinion.
So there! Lol

That said, it is ridiculous to think that everyone is going to hear the same thing when someone says certain words. Like "rape," or "religion," or "spirituality." Different strokes for different folks I guess. Not much more to say about that, unless we're all up for another go around the merrygoround. I'm getting a bit nauseated, myself, and might just move on from this discussion, barrel-o-laffs though it has been. It seems to only go so far. sigh.

I do assert however that when you paint with too broad of strokes, you miss a whoooole lotta detail. To each his own though.

And what're you talking about, .9 LED light?? I hope you were being sarcastic and not serious.. cause it is clear you are extremely intelligent.

And brilliant.. Myk? Me?? Naw, maybe Einstein was brilliant, maybe Curie, de Beauvoir and Stephen Hawking and Derrida and Foucault but not me and certainly not Myk. :D Har har. (woops, that was my troll trash talkin'.. k, he's gone now).
Hmh. Not sure what happened with the reply I posted, but it went something like this:

I love this quote Fred! But I see it from another angle: that its the fundamentalists, atheist or otherwise, are trying to be the masters of meaning.

I firmly assert that if you paint things in too broad of strokes, you are going to miss a whooole lotta gorgeous, intricate and intriguing detail about humanity. And I also assert that if you miss the context of any phenomena, you might as well miss it all, because there's no way in heck you're ever going to be able to fathom it.

And by the way, you are a bright light. I hope you were being sarcastic with your LED comment.. I can tell you are super intelligent and thoughtful. And as for being brilliant, maybe I get flashes of brilliance, as maybe Myk (when he's not otherise occupied being a jerk) and all of us no doubt at some point.

And Myk: come on, man up and admit: your troll invited my troll out for a playdate.
Excellent Troll. That's a +5 troll rating for you.
GotV is from Troll Central.
No one was wondering. Keep your tits to yourself.
I dunno about that. I was interested. hehehehe
Some atheists I know who are in the closet would chose to say when asked about their religious believes that they are spiritual. I am a die hard atheist and have no problem telling people who I am when asked.
It is sad that atheists have to hide their views, but I hope if more of us can come out of the closet, it will become more acceptible.
Every notice how religious people often tolerate each other more than they do non-believers? It's as if they are giving each other the nod to say "Well, you don't believe the same bullshit I do, but at least you believe in bullshit". Along with that is the persistent confusion of non-denominational with non-religious, as in when people claim "In God We Trust" isn't a blatent violation of the Establishment Clause because it doesn't say which God.

Perhaps some atheists describe themselves as "spiritual" so as to assure otherwise off-put religious people that they too believe in bullshit.
Well, anyone who would describe there self as "spiritual" for that reason is a lame coward. They should just go on back to the flock.

You're right, though, I bet that happens.
Hm, Aquisia N this reminds me of what politically oriented or "fundy" gays and hets say about bisexuals.. that it's a way to conceal homosexuality or some kind of stepping stone identity on the way to an actual one. Inneresting.. :/

And M: You never did answer my question: Are you an absolutist or not? Are you in Denial?? Where's your absolutist Pride?
Are your conversations recorded for Troll quality assurance?

Let me ask you this: Why is it that you are member of only one group, "Atheists Against Domestic Violence" (which, incidentally, despite it's noble purpose, often tosses around the implicit "fundamentalist" belief that domestic violence is something only males do), and yet this is the only discussion you are active in? You have 26 comments in discussions, all of them here.

Why did you join Atheist Nexus, simply to school us "absolutist", "fundamentalist" atheists?

It's exactly the sort of thing a Creationist would do on Talk Origins.




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