A page on Facebook posted a link to this photo today:
Naturally, a little argument ensued. People were complaining about how Jesus was shown here (obviously), and other people fired back that it was true, etc. you know the drill. Anyway, someone said they were getting tired of seeing "atheist shit" on the page, and asked what was wrong if you just believe in God, and you're not using it for money or power, or whatever. I told him and anyone else listening that since the religious get to post things about what they believe and how they think, then nonbelievers should have the right to express their thoughts as well. Another person came in and told me that this was not an opinion, this was simply trolling, and if he insulted my beliefs I'd get mad. I told him it really should not be a big deal.
I come back an hour or so later and a few more people have responded. The previous person posted as well. He said, "But it's really offensive saying that someone important to someone's faith is a myth. I hear atheists and agnostics talk about how Christians should be more tolerant of other people's beliefs, but when it comes to our beliefs, they're usually very intolerant. If I even mention how I believe homosexuality is a choice and how I believe it's wrong, they start cursing at me and calling me bigoted."
Now, I am quite through dealing with the people on that thread, as they will only drive me insane. But how could I explain? Christians hate on atheists and other beliefs quite often. They still ask that we respect them, but how? How can someone expect me to respect their disrespect?
"I respect people because of how they BEHAVE, not because of what they BELIEVE."
YES. Honestly I don't really mind what someone's beliefs are, it's how they act that determines what i think of them. That's why it makes me angry when people pass judgment on me when they find out I don't believe in god, instead of, you know, remembering the good times, or just getting to know me.
What has being offended by the never ending torrent of religious crap gotten you?
Does the fact that the religious person is disrespectful and not respectable give your the right to do the same? If you think you are a better person than them, why don't you show them?
I personally have zero respect for the religious, they spread their myths and superstitious nonsense as the truth and indoctrinate children before the age of reason, I believe this is child abuse, The religious are arrogant , bigoted and prejudiced. There is no good in their ignorance and violence. I was born a non-believer, something to do with an advanced evolutionary person. I went to catholic school for the first 7 years all the while attending Sunday school at the baptist church. I just knew it was all bullshit from a very early age, form my schooling and Sunday school I should be a true believer. I am not and never was.
I have NO RESPECT FOR IRRATIONAL BELIEF ... PERIOD.
Any respect I have for believers will be in direct proportion to their respect for me and their abstinence from any attempt to convert me or subvert the government in favor of their hallucination.
I don't see that I'm being horribly unreasonable here....
I agree with you, doubly so. religious are child molesters for indoctrinating children who haven't reached the age of reason.
I consider it child abuse...not necessarily molestation, which (although that's not the only definition) could have a sexual connotation. With respect to the indoctrination, I'd have to say they're child abusers because they are teaching their kids what to believe, not how to think. Molestation would be another issue because it seems to me like every time you hear about some kid having being sexually abused for years and years, there's some religious parent, relative, priest, boy scout leader or something like that involved.
Some Atheists believe we should disrespect or even hate xtians because they do such horrible things. I think that indoctrinating your child is horrible. But should we hate the parent? To hate someone, they must have done something to hate them for.
Most xtians don't do more than indoctrinate their children. When I say the following, I am refering to those xtians.
Hate the religion, but don't hate the religious person.
Compare yourself with them:
1) Do you agree that you are your own person? That nobody tells you what to think, or say, or do?
2) Would you agree that the xtian is not their own person? That somebody tells them what to think, and say, and do?
3) As children, most xtians (if not all) are abused with indoctrination. When those children grow up, is it reasonable to expect them to recognize that they have been brainwashed and stop doing what they are told to do?
4) Should Atheists hold against the xtian the fear that not only the xtian feels, but the Atheist feels as well, if the person denies the religion?
I put to you that not only is it wrong to hate the xtian back, but that if you really take a look at what brought the xtian to hate us, and indeed, continues to keep them under control, you will see it is not their fault.
So, instead of hating the xtians, shouldn't we find a good way to break their shackles?
Just as Atheists are hostage to xtianity, xtians are too.
In my opinion, to hate someone, they do not have to "have done something to hate them for". They don't have to have done anything to me, any more than I have to be a Jew to hate Nazis or a minority to hate white supremacists. I have no problem with hatred, I have a problem with ideologies that are based on fantasy and perpetuated by stupidity. I don't respect Christianity, and I don't respect Christians because they are Christianity...which is not because I'm an atheist, but because I'm also anti-religious. I avoid Christians like the plague because they are not helpless victims, they are being deliberately ignorant and they get something out of that. The whole "hate the religion, not the religious person" thing is too close to "hate the sin, love the sinner" and I am unwilling to split hairs in that fashion. The two cannot be separated - belief informs action. They aren't people doing something, they are something. They know it, and they know that they could change. Should we "find a good way to break the shackles"? Go ahead if you want to, but I don't see any shackles. I feel no empathy or compassion for Christians whatsoever - those are their concepts, and they're overrated. The only reason why religion continues to flourish is this idea that everyone deserves to be respected and treated with compassion. I don't think they deserve it, and I think their whole anti-human, anti-life mindset would die out a lot sooner if people would stop seeing them as "in need" of compassion, empathy, saving, whatever. Saving people is their thing. They don't need anyone else to save them, they need to grow up and stop seeing themselves as God's children, and then maybe they'll learn how to be parents.
Of course you are right. The Christian is not helpless. He/she can recognize that they have been brainwashed all or most of their lives. Using this realization, they have no repercussions in saying they don't believe in religion and religion is bad. It's easy to go against family and friends who would separate themselves from the Christian (if not worse things).
Of course you are justified to hate Christians as Jews hate Nazis.
Your sarcasm is cheap and your language manipulative. I never said it's easy to "deconvert", but I did it, and so have many others, regardless of the repercussions. Not everything in life is easy; in fact, some of the most worthwhile things are extremely difficult, but people do them anyway.
We are both atheists, but we hold differing views regarding, not Christianity, but Christians, and that's fine. My feelings about Christians, as people, will never change, and I have no interest in changing yours, so let's leave it at that.
The following has no sarcasm: I only wish everyone is as brave as you are. I wish they had the dignity and motivation to not lie to themselves anymore like you did. Some are better than others. And the weak ones should parish. (Sorry, that last sentence was sarcastic).