Christian really get their panties in a bunch and go on and on about what a wonderful thing Jesus did by dying on the cross. These liars will say that his suffering was the most agonizing thing anyone could go through. Humans then and now suffer far more than Jesus did assuming he actually existed. But this is not the argument. Christians lie a lot and this lie is pretty much an exaggeration.
The real argument goes like this:
Me: Mr Christian, is God all knowing?
Mr Christian: Why yes! Of course!
Me: Is Jesus God?
Mr Christian: Yes, Jesus is all knowing!
Me: Since Jesus and God the father already knew the outcome of the crucifixion... knowing that Jesus would not perish and would be back in heaven with his daddy then how is that a sacrifice?
Mr Christian will lie, change the subject, make a personal attack and create a straw man argument and lie some more.
Jesus was "dead' for 36 hours. He showed up from an empty tomb and there are conflicting accounts regarding who was there, where and when and then he puts on his Bell Rocket belt and flies up to heaven and BTW according to the Bible heaven is a few hundred feet above the flat earth.
I use this argument in Christian chat rooms and Christian forums when I am not playing the role of the Calvinist and then again the idea of an all knowing god negates the notion of free will and supports Calvinism.
I once heard a very good argument.
Jesus dies for your sins? This makes as much sense as dropping a brick on my foot for your credit card debt. WTF?!
You mean that DOESN'T work?!? Ohdarn...! [giggle!]
Jesus having a bad weekend for your sins was more like a bizarre holiday. If we do the math he wasn't "dead" for 3 days and 3 nights. This is some biblical hocus pocus to match him with ancient prophecy so as to make it all real. Next we get into the myth that he preached to the dead and the captives in hell (they were in the paradise compartment there) and that he returned with those souls who believed "also having the keys of death and hell with him." How is this so? How did the dead understand more about this "sacrifice" when the people living at that time was so very confused about his death?
People may ask you if you know what Isaiah said about Jesus? Since they lived at different times how could he have said anything about Jesus? The idea is ridiculous dispensationalism which can only exist as an after fact.
God and Jesus both knew what was going to happen here in advance, so it had to have all been a magical holiday. Believers tell you how bad it was still because Jesus had the "sins of the whole world " upon him. I imagine we are to compare a man bitten by one poisonous snake to a man who suddenly is bitten by every poisonous snake in the whole world. (This is so you will start feeling sorry for Jesus and also see how much power he had to overcome it.) If they are trying to convert you this is the part where you cry.
I saw Gibson's "Passion Of The Christ" and thought they were going to beat that poor man to death before he ever got to a cross. Strangely, I have met many believers that say Jesus was beaten much, much more than that. (I guess they had the most sins, huh?) If there was "power in the blood" maybe they had to beat him more to get more blood.
Oh, you strange gospel and strange Bible. People at the crucifixion went from not know what the hell was even going on, into bewilderment at his death, on into what I have written and more to fill out that strange Buybull that I no longer believe in. What was the purpose? What was the point?
God works in hysterical ways.
The Gospels don't even agree on the last thing Jesus said before he gave up the ghost. So much for the BuyBull being inerrant. LOL!
One would think that if God/Jesus said something and it was the last thing he said before he died all of his fans would remember word for word what he said.
At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). When some of those standing near heard this, they said, “Listen, he’s calling Elijah.” Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to take him down,” he said. With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.
Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.