Science Is at War with Religion. They Are Not Non-Overlapping Magisteria.

Ancient Greeks fought religion with words.

Religion fought back with centuries of violence.

Stephen Jay Gould, wanting the violence to end, said the two did not overlap. He tried to avoid conflict when conflict was necessary.

If we forget that the scientific method protects us from religion, we lose what is a war.

We have to remember that when we lack evidence, we suspend judgment.

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Ancient Greeks promoted religion with words. 

"We have to remember that when we lack evidence, we suspend judgment." I dont think humans are capable of such a feat. Not yet anyway...
Wayne, I agree that many humans, lacking evidence, are unable to suspend judgment. Among them are Big Bang cosmologists.

We agree on something! :)

Research suggests that discussing this conflict in terms of "war on science" increases polarization.

The Effects of the “War on Science” Frame on Scientists’ Credibility

from a reddit commentor:

... what the authors are saying is that by even bringing up that a "war on science" exists it predisposes self-identified conservatives to take a negatively biased stance toward any scientific evidence. They also noted that if scientific findings or facts are discussed in a more neutral or polite and open frame, that conservatives took a much more neutral stance or view of the credibility of the information being presented to them.

Ruth, do you see my conflict with Big Bang cosmology as a war on science?

If not, I don’t understand your post.

Ruth, you are concerned about Trump supporters in their perception of science?

Why?

Bert, what you missed in Ruth’s post is that nowhere in my posts did she see mention of a war on science.

If like you she sees my “...fucking big bang obsession” as a war on science, I want her to say so.

Shameless is a fun series.

Bert my point is that trump supporters buy into propaganda and ya cant confuse em with facts.

The conservatives can laugh all they want to and Michelle will influence the future more than they.

Bert, the Trumpenkorp? The courts have been slowing, if not stopping, them.

Years ago I subscribed to Netflix. I watched many film festival winners and learned what the 1960s French New Wave was.

As far as you can see? Have your eyesight tested. The fucking BB is a thing; it’s a modern day origin myth. Without turtles.

Bert you have hit on a major theme...

It used to be asserted by thinkers (still is) that in a free marketplace of ideas that good ideas prevail and bad ideas are discarded. Unfortunately bad ideas have long legs and good tickers. If we were as a species less like the lowest and more like the least common denominator then the aphorism would be valid.

Tangentially the reality of who we are as a species makes me want to curtail certain speech. I approve of what Germany has done in making it a crime to deny the holocaust. Truth means jack shit to racists. And the lies can become a contagion. 

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