I was recently asked by a friend if I would attend her baptism when she is 'born again' and I'm not sure whether or not I should go.


On the one hand I don't want to be the evil atheist who won't support her friend. I'm worried it might be rude to decline the invitation. On the other hand, I am completely against everything her church stands for, not only the claims it makes about God and the nature of reality, but also its stances in social issues such as its damaging anti-gay beliefs. 


I would have no reservations about attending a church wedding or funeral, but somehow this feels different. This is an explicitly religious ceremony which, whilst I support my friend's right to go through with it, I cannot support in itself. A wedding in a church could be, to me, a celebration of two people's relationships and a funeral could be a celebration of the person's life and an expression of how they will be missed. This baptism ceremony would be a celebration of the brainwashing my friend experienced from childhood and her acceptance of a flawed belief system that leads to prejudice and intolerance. I feel my presence would signify that I condone this and give my friends yet another chance to convert me. 


However, as an atheist I know that a baptism doesn't really do anything at all. It's just someone being dunked in a pool. She's already a believer in ridiculous things, intolerant of the lgbtq community and an opponent of science. I also want to show my friends that I can be a good person, a friend, and be a part of their lives even if I don't share their beliefs. 


Does anyone have any advice? Have you ever been faced with this problem? 

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I would suck it up and support my friend.

Then scrub myself clean when I get home.

The main thing of course, which you seem to realize is that it's not about you, it's about your friend.

I would therefor concur with The Nerd that you should talk to her about it so that you know what her expectations are and whether or not your presence there would be beneficial to both parties.


"This baptism ceremony would be a celebration of the brainwashing my friend experienced from childhood and her acceptance of a flawed belief system that leads to prejudice and intolerance."


I totally understand where you're coming from with that. You're not the only one who tends to have issues with the more vile tenets of space daddy cults.

Thanks everyone for your advice. 


I think I'll do what was suggested and ask her why it is she wants me to go. It may be that she just wants to share this part of her life with me. Yes, she knows I'm an atheist and she does make occasional attempts to convert me, but I've made my position clear and hopefully she'll understand that my being there doesn't mean I condone what she's doing, just that I support her. She's said before that if a friend had a gay wedding she wouldn't attend due to her religion, so I kind of see that as my chance at being the bigger person.


If nothing else it'll educate me about what a born again baptism is like. 

I see it as sort of an initiation ritual. Like if you were in a gang you might stab a few people and do a rain dance.


But obviously because it's Christianity it must be much more sensible...or something. 

And I guess they like it because Jesus was baptized and it makes them feel all Messiah-like.

"If nothing else it'll educate me about what a born again baptism is like. "

You'll see her walk into a pool. The pastor may talk for a bit. Ask her if she accepts Jesus. Say something like , I baptize you the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit . She gets submerged in water. Comes out, everybody claps. That's about it. Nothing special really. Yeah, it's like a initiation ritual with out getting beaten up.
I agree with Nerd. Ask her why she wants you to go since she knows your a atheist. 

That sounds...like a bit of an anticlimax.


My other friends seem to be getting her baptism presents and I looked for a card today. All the cards I could find had a cross on the front and I do object to presenting my friend with a picture of an implement of torture. Seems a bit creepy, so I think maybe I'm going to forego that part of the experience. 


I'm not really sure what to expect. My confirmation was very sedate, just with the bishop giving me communion and blessing me, but my friend comes from quite an over-the-top, Jesus-praising, fundamentalist church so I imagine it'll be quite different. 

I'd imagine a simple congratulations or thinking of you card would be fine.  I've never heard of getting gifts for a baptism of someone who is not a baby.  In fact, I haven't seen too many gifts given at baby baptisms either.  That's what baby showers are for.  I don't really get it.  It's not like she studied really hard for four years and graduated college.  Odd, but that is just my opinion.  I grew up in the Methodist tradition where we didn't do a lot of this nonsense.

Yes, my church was the same. It wasn't a big thing when I got confirmed, but this church seems to be different. 


I don't think 'congratulations' is quite the right word for what I feel and want to express about her baptism. I think I'll make my own card with a pleasant but non-committal message. 

I believe he did it to symbolize the beginning of his spiritual "career."
You may want to stand near the back so you can make a quick exit, in case she's using this as an opportunity to gang up on you and tag team you with her church group.  I don't know your relationship with your friend.  I hope she wouldn't do something so mean, but she and her church group might not consider it mean and actually consider it saving you as if you were drowning.  I've been placed in a religion trap a time or two myself, so maybe I am just suspicious.  Go if you like, but I'd leave early, before they gang up on you for a mass "witnessing".  Then again, I have a head cold and don't feel like putting up with crap.  I could be interrupting the situation totally wrong. 
Bring soap and make baptism actually useful!




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