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Permalink Reply by Stephanie on September 1, 2011 at 7:52am

I would suck it up and support my friend.

Then scrub myself clean when I get home.

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Permalink Reply by Rob van Senten on September 1, 2011 at 8:03am

The main thing of course, which you seem to realize is that it's not about you, it's about your friend.

I would therefor concur with The Nerd that you should talk to her about it so that you know what her expectations are and whether or not your presence there would be beneficial to both parties.

 

"This baptism ceremony would be a celebration of the brainwashing my friend experienced from childhood and her acceptance of a flawed belief system that leads to prejudice and intolerance."

 

I totally understand where you're coming from with that. You're not the only one who tends to have issues with the more vile tenets of space daddy cults.

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Permalink Reply by Pat on September 1, 2011 at 8:32am

Call in sick.  If you have a friend who's a doctor or nurse, have them write you a note.

OK, I'll admit it was a bad attempt at humor.  Seriously, I think the Nerd is absolutely correct.  If she doesn't know you're an atheist, suck it up, get through it, then go drink half a bottle of scotch.  If she does know you're an atheist, and she is inviting you there so you will finally "open your eyes" to the glory of Jesus and convert, I'd be honest with her, tell her that's not going to happen, and then decide what would be best for 1) you, 2) her, and 3) your mutual friendship.

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Permalink Reply by Laura on September 1, 2011 at 10:39am

Thanks everyone for your advice. 

 

I think I'll do what was suggested and ask her why it is she wants me to go. It may be that she just wants to share this part of her life with me. Yes, she knows I'm an atheist and she does make occasional attempts to convert me, but I've made my position clear and hopefully she'll understand that my being there doesn't mean I condone what she's doing, just that I support her. She's said before that if a friend had a gay wedding she wouldn't attend due to her religion, so I kind of see that as my chance at being the bigger person.

 

If nothing else it'll educate me about what a born again baptism is like. 

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Permalink Reply by Laura on September 1, 2011 at 10:55am

I see it as sort of an initiation ritual. Like if you were in a gang you might stab a few people and do a rain dance.

 

But obviously because it's Christianity it must be much more sensible...or something. 

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Permalink Reply by Laura on September 1, 2011 at 10:58am

And I guess they like it because Jesus was baptized and it makes them feel all Messiah-like.

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Permalink Reply by Vulpes on September 1, 2011 at 2:16pm

"If nothing else it'll educate me about what a born again baptism is like. "

You'll see her walk into a pool. The pastor may talk for a bit. Ask her if she accepts Jesus. Say something like , I baptize you the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit . She gets submerged in water. Comes out, everybody claps. That's about it. Nothing special really. Yeah, it's like a initiation ritual with out getting beaten up.

I agree with Nerd. Ask her why she wants you to go since she knows your a atheist. 

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Permalink Reply by Laura on September 1, 2011 at 3:01pm

That sounds...like a bit of an anticlimax.

 

My other friends seem to be getting her baptism presents and I looked for a card today. All the cards I could find had a cross on the front and I do object to presenting my friend with a picture of an implement of torture. Seems a bit creepy, so I think maybe I'm going to forego that part of the experience. 

 

I'm not really sure what to expect. My confirmation was very sedate, just with the bishop giving me communion and blessing me, but my friend comes from quite an over-the-top, Jesus-praising, fundamentalist church so I imagine it'll be quite different. 

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Permalink Reply by Grace Fitzpatrick on September 1, 2011 at 4:10pm

I'd imagine a simple congratulations or thinking of you card would be fine.  I've never heard of getting gifts for a baptism of someone who is not a baby.  In fact, I haven't seen too many gifts given at baby baptisms either.  That's what baby showers are for.  I don't really get it.  It's not like she studied really hard for four years and graduated college.  Odd, but that is just my opinion.  I grew up in the Methodist tradition where we didn't do a lot of this nonsense.

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Permalink Reply by Laura on September 1, 2011 at 5:16pm

Yes, my church was the same. It wasn't a big thing when I got confirmed, but this church seems to be different. 

 

I don't think 'congratulations' is quite the right word for what I feel and want to express about her baptism. I think I'll make my own card with a pleasant but non-committal message. 

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Permalink Reply by Pat on September 1, 2011 at 11:07am

In the  "for what it's worth" category, I think you're making the right choice, Laura.  And, now that you and the the Nerd mention it, why did Jesus get baptized?  To accept the holy poltergeist?  But if he is god, then he is also the holy ectoplasm.  Was it to accept himself into his soul as his personal savior so he could save himself from himself?  That seems rather redundant.  Or was he (and I think this is the most rational answer) bobbing for catfish and John knew where the best fishing hole was?

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Permalink Reply by Elyse on September 1, 2011 at 9:55pm

I believe he did it to symbolize the beginning of his spiritual "career."

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