As weird as it is, I think it was the attitude of my former "fellow" Christians that started me on the road to doubt. Even though I've got a bachelors in Physics and have generally held a belief in evolution and big bang cosmology for most of the believing stage of my life, it really wasn't science that brought up questions(cognitive dissonance at its best). I think I've always generally never had a connection with anyone in any church I had ever attended. Mainly since most Christians, especially in the south, are non-intellectuals. But I think it really started when I began listening to extreme metal. I couldn't understand how anyone could look down on something that I loved so much and felt so natural to listen to. I can't tell you how many people have told me that its "the devils music"(even though most of the lyrics are socio-political).

Of course later on I did my research and discovered how ridiculous my former beliefs were. So who or what started you on your path to disbelief?

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LOL Tom, of course I would.

Cannot help myself?

Resist a good stir?  No Way!

Though at the moment I'm drinking some African tea my daughter bought me, as it has no caffeine, but it takes like bacon, think I'll brew some for my Muslim friends.

So they'll know what bacon tastes like without having bacon.

As far as Pascal's Wager goes, the most popular implementation is the Super-Dominance Argument.


God exists = Infinite Reward

God does not exist = Life of comfort and joy in religion, but no reward.


God exists = Infinite Torture 

God does not exist: = No comfort from religious belief during their life and no reward.

Thus it is more rewarding to be a believer.

Pascal considered having a religion as being comforting, he evidently did not go through the original indoctrination of fear, which most children go through and live in fear of God all their lives, some Comfort?

So Pascal never counted the 50% of their life, wasted on practicing their religion as worth anything.

His enjoyment of his accomplishments in mathematics appeared to be oblivious to him, as his dementia overtook his mind.

We are dealing with the product of a demented mind, when we deal with Pascal's Wager.

His brain was evidently severely damaged / deranged.

Oh, I agree with Matt Dilahunty on Pascal's Wager.

"Pascal's Wager Is The Worst Apologetic Argument Ever Devised."

Bacon flavored decaf TEA?  Where can I get some?

( These are just 2 of my favorite things)

Mmm, I don't think that's a straw man . . . (the so-and-so converted when he realized he was dying idea).

My parents were sort of agnostic, in that, even though they took me to church, Sunday school and even sent me to a Christian college, they already sort of knew that I was unlikely to believe in God, as I was a science buff since age 10, and my mother who was the brains of the family, thought that science does not agree with religion but welcomed my enthusiasm for science with opened arms.

Though they didn't agree with my sense of humor, such as at my uncle's wake ( an atheist yet they held a church funeral), I replaced the organ music with Led Zeppelin's "Your Time Is Gonna Come" which starts off sounding like church organ music.  Then a heavier Deep Purple track, which also featured John Lord organ introduction.

My parents were not impressed, but, got over it quickly and months later we all chuckled about it.

The Deep Purple number was "Sweet Child In Time", a classic, with extremely fast Richie Blackmore riffs, though I did watch a live concert video, where Richie stuffed up part way through his lead break, I noticed his playing dropped off key, for a half a second, he corrected this though.


Re Pascal's Wager and the Super-Dominance Argument -- amended and bolded below.


God exists = Infinite Reward

God does not exist = Religion's comfort and joy and life's many pleasures banned, but no reward.


God exists = Infinite Torture 

God does not exist: = Life's many pleasures enjoyed, and no reward.

Who conjured the Super-Dominance Argument but a person afflicted by xianity's negative thinking.

When atheism's positive thinking replaces the xian negative thinking, benefits replace the costs.

Pascal's Wager is a false dilemma between no god and a Christian-style heaven-and-hell god. What if there's a god totally unlike the one he was thinking of, perhaps the Great Juju at the Bottom of the Sea, and, in Homer Simpson's words, what if every week Christians are simply making the true God madder and madder?

But even in its restricted form, the argument could use another amendment, since we have plenty of reason to assume a priori that the "probability" of God existing is far less than 50-50:


God exists (highly unlikely) = Infinite Reward

God does not exist (highly likely) = Religion's comfort and joy, but many of life's pleasures banned, and no reward.


God exists (highly unlikely) = Infinite Torture 

God does not exist (highly likely): = Life's many pleasures enjoyed, and no reward.

Comedian Bill Burr tells why he quit religion: Link

I think I always was hesitant about religion so essentially, when I grew up I just understood that religion doesn't make sense. I am a writer at and I had to write a work so I decided to make some research and read lots of posts here to see other people stories, as since I never believed I can never understand a person who loses his faith. 

I am delighted to learn of your interest in faith and belief, and that you belong to the expert writer group.  We need strong and competent writers to tell the story of those who lack belief in a higher power.

It is possible to do good works without belief in a superhuman power; a person can be ethical and moral without faith in the divine; an individual can develop a support group without pretending to know what is impossible to know just because others have the same belief. 

I stopped believing as soon as I learned to count... ribs!




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