The World's Largest Coalition of Nontheists and Nontheist Communities!
Swearing on the Bible.
Replies to This Discussion
-
Permalink Reply by Tarquin St John Sh'gn'sty on -
Non American here.
My understand is that you have the right to make an affirmation in ANY US court. To require an oath would be non constitutional. Besides there are several Christian churches whose members will not take an oath, considering it blasphemous.
-
Permalink Reply by James Tyrrell on -
There's a thread on that particular subject here http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=503591. It depends where your roommates stand, if they are fine with you standing up for your secular beliefs that's fine but if it damages your case then it's probably worth gritting your teeth if it becomes necessary. Or just ask your legal counsel what you can do.
-
Permalink Reply by Sandra Stott on -
Well not just that, but some courts still add the "so help me god" phrase. I had to go through that a few years ago. Then what? I suppose an affirmation would still be enough.
-
Permalink Reply by David Anam on -
Yeah, we still have the "so help me God" phrase in Oklahoma. I just went with it without saying anything (mostly because I'm shy), but later heard that you can ask for an affirmation and by law they have to allow that.
Speaking of which, does anyone know what the raising your right hand thing is about? Does it have religious significance or is it just some cultural thing?
-
Permalink Reply by Solal le Fou on -
Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the phrase in the States' court system:
"Some of the states have specified that the words "so help me God" were used in oath of office, and also required of jurors, witnesses in court, notaries public, and state employees. Where this is still the case, there is the possibility of a court challenge over eligibility, as the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488 (1961), that such state-law requirements violate citizens' rights under the federal Constitution."
(I underlined and bolded)
This also included the Bible-swearing: it has been ruled unconstitutional federally, so no State can force you to do it or penalize you for refusing to comply. This said, if there's a 'jury of peers' witnessing this, it might not be taken so lightly by them. But honestly I have no idea how a trial is conducted in the US, being French and all lol.
I've just seen stuff on TV, series and documentaries and whatnot...
Hope it still helps a bit! And good luck!
Sol
-
Permalink Reply by Staks Rosch on -
Just raise your right hand as if you are swearing on the Bible and say, "I affirm that I am telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." That is legal and most people won't even notice the difference if you do it smoothly enough.
-Staks
-
Permalink Reply by FreeThinker on -
Raising your right hand is so they can see you don't have your fingers crossed because every 6th grader knows that if your fingers are crossed, it doesn't count. lol
-
Permalink Reply by John Gomez on -
Thank you all very much. I was a little troubled by the "so help me god" phrase as well, but I figure that the two are so tied together that whatever will work for one, will work for another.
Hopefully this situation doesn't go that far, but we'll see.
Thanks again!
-
Permalink Reply by Sandra Stott on
-
Hopefully you wont have a situation where you have to "pick your battle" - wont have to even consider forgoing your (non)religious beliefs.
-
Permalink Reply by Lorien on -
Just bring your own copy, "The God Delusion" or the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. LOL
Just affirm.
-
Permalink Reply by Jo Jerome on -
Just bring your own copy, "The God Delusion" or the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. LOL
My first thought was to swear on a copy of Descartes' Discourse on Method, as that's as close to sacred to me as I could think.
Though a Gospel of Flying Spaghetti Monster would make quite a statement too.
Seriously though, I too would ask legal counsel A) What the exact procedure is and B) if they think it will affect the case. I definitely applaud anyone taking that stand (politely of course). The more often that happens the more likely it is to be addressed down the road. But you also want to consider if it will seriously damage your case.
© 2019 Atheist Nexus. All rights reserved. Admin: The Nexus Group.
Powered by
