I would like to do a piece on my blog, Releasing Religion, regarding mixing God & government.  And I'd like to know what opinions people have here about doing such a thing.  Some points to mention are:

Glenn Beck is well known for arguing that we have misunderstood that founding fathers & their desire to keep church & state separate.  Holding his rally on 8/28, he gathered 150.000 people to hear him talk about bringing out country "back to God".  What do you think it would do to our country to "get back to God"? 

The Tea Party has been called racist Chrisotcrats. In their recent convention, most conference sessions began with prayers.  What do you think of the Tea Party?  Do you know very little about them?  Do you know a lot?  Please share your thoughts here.

The piece will be posted on www.releasingreligion.blogspot.com









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so true, a better (although i feel still incomplete) summation of the problem. maybe it would be " they don't hate us for what we stand for but for WHO we are" ie ignorant, bullying, gluttonous, obstinant and inconsistent

Maybe jealousy? And I don't blame them. It's human nature.
Except it's the responsibility of enlightened governments (esp. democratic ones) to supercede human nature when it becomes noxious. Complacency begets nothing. Except disaster.
"This planet is ours" Or "You'll get your share of it only when we're satiated." Not the best way to make friends.

The underdeveloped nations would do the same thing and probably worse than we did if they had half the chance.

It's all a matter of who is the bigger dog on the block. I don't like it but it's just the way it is and always will be. And thank God America has always been a kind dog (relatively speaking).

I whole heartedly agree with all the green stuff going on - I'm all for it - I'm all for recycling - conserving - whatever it takes. I have always been consicous of this. I've always been the type of person who turns the lights off and reuses things as much as possible and a big believer in minimalist life style (for myself personally). I just gave a family member who recently graduated from high school my 20 year old car. Goody for me (sorry about the obnoxious tooting of my own horn).
The underdeveloped nations would do the same thing and probably worse than we did if they had half the chance.

I'm sure they would. So what? I'm not absolving them just because they're the underdogs. On the other hand, "you'd do the same thing if you were in our shoes" has never been a way to make progress towards a non-conflictual world, and we need it dearly, more than ever. The fact that our planet, which was (subjectively) infinite for most of its history, has become increasingly tinier over the last century, makes the competition for resources a much greater worry than it was when Portugal and Spain competed for the riches of the New World. And mass-scale consumerism, a recent invention, compounds on that. "Bigger dog on the block" policies, as you put it, will lead us all in a wall - whoever the biggest dog is. Hopefully the present biggest dog will realize that - and accept that, e.g., its "way of life" is not necessarily non-negotiable.
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Except it's the responsibility of enlightened governments (esp. democratic ones) to supercede human nature when it becomes noxious. Complacency begets nothing. Except disaster.


Jaume - Is any government on this corrupt planet really "enlightened?"

At least in America (last time I checked) we don't imprison people for their political and religious beliefs or lack thereof and what we do matters as far as trying to keep things stabilized in the Middle East because if we go down - everybody goes down. You can't really say the same thing for any other country except for the one that we get all our oil from. And BTW, we really really really need to cut that shit out (dependency on oil from another country).
Jaume - Is any government on this corrupt planet really "enlightened?"

I mean those governments who have panels of experts and analysts, intelligence services, free media, etc. to "enlighten" them. Whether the executive is deaf or blind is another story.

At least in America (last time I checked) we don't imprison people for their political and religious beliefs or lack thereof and what we do matters as far as trying to keep things stabilized in the Middle East because if we go down - everybody goes down.

Mmh? I never said otherwise. When I jumped in this discussion, my point was very specific, and it was all about giving a possible explanation to this simple question: "Why do these guys/countries hate the USA?" It was never my intent to assess the merits (or faults) of the US relative to other countries.
You would all seem to discussing what Chalmers Johnson calls "Blowback"
"This planet is ours"

This is the Christian way is it not? God gave us the earth and it's bountiful resources to use and abuse at our will? Of course the "us" only refers to Christian Americans.
Bigger dog on the block" policies, as you put it, will lead us all in a wall - whoever the biggest dog is. Hopefully the present biggest dog will realize that - and accept that, e.g., its "way of life" is not necessarily non-negotiable.

Jaume - But I think America is realizing it needs to change it's way of life (might be way too late) but that's human nature (don't really do anything until it reaches crisis proportions). As far as foreign policy - I admit I am woefully ignorant and all this confusion I am experiencing is motivating me to learn about these things without just trusting what my politician tells me. I no longer trust not one single politician.
they are better off here because we treat people here MUCH better than where they were at before. thats the point

Well (wow, I am seriously having some logic anxiety). Okay, so I knock on your door and I say "Hello, I hate your guts but I am hungry - may I eat dinner with you please?"

I feel an urge to bang my head repeatedly against the wall.
Most of the industrialized world limits imigration. The socialist democracies of Northern Europe, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Amsteram etc. allowed reasonable numbers of muslim imigrants it years ago as a labor pool but didn't make plans for them to stay. Now their muslim children are disenfranchised, undereducated, underemployed and easily influenced by radical islamic forces. France is the extreme of this condition. Those northern European states are now limiting imigration much tighter.

The US limit imigration for educated skill workers to some degree, but corporate America fights the steps to stop unskilled labor flooding in illegally across our southern borders. They want cheap labor. Our international economic policies(NAFTA) and support of rightwing dictators have done much to create the extreme poverty in these Central and South American nations so that often these peoples only choice if they want to feed their families is to try to get to America, if it is only to pick fruit or pluck chickens for less than minimum wage.

Read Noam Chomsky as an antidote to Boortz. Chomsky is a genuine intellectual that is unafraid to speak the truth. America has lost all pretense to any "higher moral ground", and is our government more feared worldwide than Islamic terrorism. Americans must realize that we not that smart nor productive. Our largess comes from exploiting the third world, and blowing anyone who stands up to us back to the stone age.
(referring to the US's tendency to deny human rights

Wait a ding dong minute. I have always heard that the US has the strongest most effective human rights advocacy organizations in the world. Jesus Christ. What planet have I been living on?

What planet are you living on? Why are we seeing things so differently?

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