i can only hope that none of you go through this. my Mom and her husband went to see "2016: Obama's America" yesterday. immediately upon their return home the emails started flooding in. here was the first from my Mom:
thanks Mel, i just got off the phone with her. i challenged her on some of her comments. she said that Obama lies and she doesn't trust him, not one lick. i asked her to give me an example of a lie - she couldn't come up with one. i encouraged her to look into it and get back to me. then she said that both Obama and his wife had been disbarred. this is old ground that we covered months back and i debunked then. so she moved on to the fact that he used to go by Barry instead of Barack. good grief - she was moving on to birtherism! i kind of lost it and told her i'd be buying her a tin foil hat for Xmas.
i also told her that i know she's scared about losing her liberty. i asked which liberties she's afraid of losing and she had only one - freedom of religion. she is worried that Obama will turn us into a Muslim nation. i'm not sure that there is a decent comeback that isn't expletive filled, so i simply said that people who believe that also believe in the boogeyman in their closet. what else could i say?
I've stated this before, but I have a brother who is a "birther" and believes the same nonsense you Mom is being spoon fed. I finally called him out on it the other day, and pointed out that he has turned into a full blown racist and homophobe much like (to my chagrin) our dearly departed father, whom neither one of us had any use for. I tried the "tin foil" hat argument with him (actually, metal spaghetti strainer hat with tin foil antenna), but to no avail.
The irony here is that my brother, the "birther," actually can't stand religion and labels himself an agnostic. The one thing that really pissed him off was when I compared his irrational belief in this crap to that of a devout theist. And, it's really like dealing with a "believer in the one true god." Every time you point out a fabrication, a false hood, and an outright lie, it doesn't matter. They may come to the realization that the one argument they just used is wrong, but it doesn't even begin to crack the wall of the entire belief system.
They don't believe because it's true. That's easy enough to dispel. They believe because they desperatly want to believe it. And, rationality just won't change that.
The birther thing is a bit ironic, considering McCain wasn't born in a state, while Obama was, ha.
"They don't believe because it's true. That's easy enough to dispel. They believe because they desperatly want to believe it."
i think this cuts to the heart of it. i know as soon as i hung up the phone that she would simply dismiss my claims and think to herself "well, some of what he said may be true, BUT all these people wouldn't just be making it all up, so i still believe." my biggest problem is that she hates hates hates Obama without even knowing why. if she hated him because he disagreed with his policies i could forgive her. but she doesn't know his policies!
thanks for sharing Pat. i really am upset about this, but it's good to know i'm not alone.
I initially thought 2016 was an ironic sequel to the film "2012." Imagine my disappointment when I found out the truth about the film.
All those people went to go see a 'Ra Ra Obama bad, mkay?' film. They wasted their money, if they wanted to see that they should just watch 2 hours of fox.
Traditonally, conservatives are people who advocate the status quo, or gradual change based on existing commitments to certain values. Ergo, most of the Democratic Party and the moderate wing of the Republican Party are the actual conservatives, especially on the international stage.
The people who are in the saddle of the current Republican Party want to return to a mythical glorious past, and are stridently opposed to existing commitments of tolerance, pluralism and liberty. They are more reactionary and reclusive than conservative. Just listening to them talk gives me a headache.
many in the Atheist community are already well aware of Dinesh D'Zousa and what he stands for. he's a truly deplorable man who is either delusional or shamelessly lying to make money - in other words, your typical Religious leader.
Yeah no doubt. He just makes me irritated whenever he speaks.
I'm leaning toward the "shamelessly lying" part, myself. If he was delusional, his bank account wouldn't be that great.
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i just got an email from him saying that Bin Laden was already dead before Seal Team 6 went in. and he believes it. i can't wait to hear where he heard that.