This is a quote from Allen Watt.  One of the best speakers about religion on NPR.  If you don't believe me just read the book of Leviticus.  

Fundamentalist Christians raciest are the most none Christlike people in America.  I have been an Atheist since I was very young  but I have read the bible from front to back.  It is full of a lot of ideology similar to the Muslim Bible.  Stoning people, selling you children, not going near a woman who is having her cycle.

The only redeeming thing in it is Christ's teaching.  Love you neighbor, do unto others as you would want them to do to you.

How can Christians be so fucking hateful?    

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People can be very stubborn. Some people simply can't deal with life without something like to Bible to reassure them about death. It doesn't matter what you say to them. There mind is so closed and they will probable never question it. It is had to do but for the sake of your marriage you just have to live with it and don't try to change them because you will probably never succeed. Sorry
Not everyone is good at argument. Plus, if they have been taught that the devil will try to confound them with contrary arguments, then they will think that your arguments will only hurt them; so they must not and will not heed them. You can do no good if they believe your words come from the "devil".
You have my sympathies. My dear wife is Catholic and I am atheist (for lack of a better term) and I do not argue with her about religion because she has no concept of religion or its history. It would do you no good to ask your husband how he knows what Jesus said, seeing as he never wrote anything down for us to read. Old testament or new it is sand storm psychosis and if they had had Carl Sagan or Daniel Dennett around at the time we would not need this web site. (Which we do -thank God...)
I don't know your wife of course but I have found that people like her do not want to know the truth. It scares the hell out of them. It doesn't matter how logical your discussion is, it will never work. That is why you have people like us on the site. I am lucky my family doesn't believe in anything. I have a sister who I will not speak to me any more because I sent her a long email about the history and translations of the bible. The thing that really got to her I think was the Professor of Aramaic from UNC said the Aramaic word that was translated as Virgin has nothing to do with sexual status. It is one of those foreign words that simply does not translate into Greek or Latin very well but the word is very similar to describing her marital status. The History channel has had several good shows about the history of the bible.
"The Flintstones Is Not A Documentary"
Lewis Black
Hello!  No kidding! "Yabba Dabba Do!" is what we should all be yelling, right?
It's been a few months since I've dropped by here and am not surprized to see Matt VDB still arguing that jc existed. I still maintain his views are those of a theist. The arguments are the same. Is there such a term as "closet theist"??

Considering I haven't posted on this forum in almost two months either, maybe you should just stop pulling things out of your ass.


Also, how many theists do you know that maintain that Jesus was an apocalyptic nutcase? Because that's my view, but you wouldn't know, because you don't have a fucking clue about that either.


But thanks for keeping up with the ad hominems and sleezy implications. It reminds me off why I don't frequent this site anymore.

Thanks Jim, I really appreciate that.

It still boggles my mind how quickly many who see me arguing for the existence of a historical Jesus (and the only reason I do that in the first place is because so many atheists seem to think that they have to deny this, which I think is an unsupportable position), will immediately draw the line from "This guy thinks Jesus is not a 100% pure invention by evil men with an agenda for world domination" to "This guy is a Christian and a theist and needs to be scorned."


I suspect that the reason for this is that many fundamentalist Christians that fall away from their religion make the (usually emotionally fueled) transition from "There is a God, the Bible is his inspired word, and religion is the best thing that ever happened to mankind" to the completely reverted position: nothing in the Bible can have some basis in fact, all violence would disappear if we got rid of religion, etcetera... Now, while I think this position is closer to the truth, it still contains quite some errors and it is ultimately just as dogmatic as what they came from.

A large part of turning these people into (pardon the expression) "better atheists" is to teach them to really think critically and sceptically and teach them how to analyse their beliefs without an emotional bias at all - positive or negative.


Anyway, it sounds like we're on the same page.


Kind regards,



For a good laugh at the bible Google Dr Laura's letter.

I dont want to attack Bible, but hope Bible did not attack me first, if somebody ask me to thank God first no matter things good or not, i think it wants to control my feeling this way is an attacking. I will like the sun gives us heat and cold, also feel happy that we have different feeling of suffering or experences. I would be calm if not be attacked, that means I dont want to make trouble to Bible if I am respected by my way.

I'm certainly not afraid


 to attack that fucking evil piece of crap


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