let's face it, the highly religious, the ones we here have the biggest problem with, is the base of the Republican Party.  given this, news of its imminent demise should thrill most Atheists.  and make no mistake, barring a gargantuan shift in policies and rhetoric, they are absolutely on the path towards extinction.  

it's common knowledge that the GOP is an old, white party.  while not an absolute, that is an accurate enough description of the Republican Party today.  two trends to keep in mind here.  one, old people tend to die at a faster rate than young people.  two, white people are shrinking as a percentage of the electorate.  they are running out of supporters, and it's happening quicker than many thought.  

take yesterday's election.  President Obama won over 90% of the black vote and 70% of the latino and asian vote.  Romney did well with seniors and whites overall.  meanwhile, the country is getting browner.  the GOP may end up becoming a whites only club, a nativist and pale collection of isolationists who choose to ignore the changing demographics of the country.  worse, they may choose to keep it this way.  if they choose this path, their extinction is all but guaranteed.  their option would be to abandon their social issues, immigration policies, and economic austery programs and to open up their tent through real policy change.  

anyone wanna bet which way they go?

for Atheists, either way is a win.  if the GOP becomes irrelevant then the power of the religious right goes with it.  if they truly make changes to make more people inclusive and begin to part with their religious base Atheists will celebrate.  yesterday's election is better for Atheists than most people would think.  

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I would ask you to read a little more closely, Dr Clark.

I clearly stated that a mass round-up would not be necessary.

Even at that, a couple of hundred billion dollars would be a pittance compared to the billions of dollars per year this Nation is spending with regard to illegal foreign nationals.

Or for that matter, the lives that are being lost...


You assume that most would leave of their own volition, but that is nothing more than an assumption—there is no way of knowing.

As for the economic impact of illegal aliens, those figures are extremely difficult to estimate with accuracy. The Center for Immigration Studies estimated in 2004 that illegals cost the federal government about $26 billion and paid $16 billion in taxes for a net loss of $10 billion. Whether illegals take away jobs that citizens would perform is another difficult question to answer.

In any case I don't believe that $200 billion would be called a pittance by anyone except a congressman.

Wishful thinking.  There are articles after every election about how the losing party is going to vanish.  The Democrats have been here since the beginning; the Republicans since before the Civil War.  They'll drop constituencies that aren't working out, and bring in some that will.  But they will not go gentle into that good night.

That a great many of them - if not most - would leave of their own volition Doctor, was clearly demonstrated a few years ago when there was at least a modicum of pressure being applied to the problem.

Since 2006, there has been a steady decline in the number of illegals entering the Country, as well as a sharp increase in the numbers of those leaving (estimated 1.6 million in 2011).

Even a less than objective source will bear this out...


This is a process that started well before the economy started to take that spin down the crapper.

As I stated before, take away the incentives to stay, they'll have no reason to stay.

Also, that study obviously failed to factor the costs incurred by the States and localities in health care costs, costs to our school systems, costs to law enforcement, ad infinitum...

And then of course, there is the Human cost in the lives we lose when we allow foreign criminals unobstructed entry to this Country...



I haven't conceded that your 200 billion dollar figure is correct - I have a hunch that it would be a lot less than that - but even if it is correct, it would be a lot less than it is costing this Nation now.

For 50 years I've been hearing how the loosing party is in its death throes, it hasn't happened yet!

Yeah, I know.

After the '80 election, everybody was saying that the Democrat Party was headed for the dung heap.

They apparently failed to realize it was already there -- nevertheless -- that fact did nothing to hinder a Democrat resurgence in the 90's.

Same way in the 90's after the Soviet Union fell and every pinhead in existence was running around declaring Communism to be dead.

I knew better.

They've just been playing possum.

I fully expect to see some facsimile of the Soviet Union rise within the next five years or so.

i feel like this could be different.  their coalition with the evangelicals is toxic to the mainstream, but is far too large for them to simply dismiss.  and i fail to see how or why latinos are going to switch sides. all the democratic coalitions are growing, including us non-believers.  if the trend doesn't reverse itself, republicans simply will not be able to win national elections.  and if you can't win national elections, what business do you have being a major political party?

Alright, first and foremost, lets just bury that dried-up old chestnut that that Christian fundies are exclusively Republican.


Every hear of Fred Phelps?  

In case you haven't, he's the idiot asswipe fundamentalist church leader who's been running around the last few years disrupting Military funerals in the name of his anti-American, anti-homosexual deity.

Registered Democrat (along with the rest of his herd).  

Proud of it, and proclaims it continuously.  

Not that the Leftist media would tell you that.

I can guarantee you, that if he ever shows that ugly mug of his at our door, we Republicans will give him some good hard schoolin' in the ways of sinnin'.

I have known a huge number of Leftists who are at the same time deeply religious and passionately collectivist.

Ever hear of Christian Socialists?

Hell, I once had a girlfriend - who I knew goin' in - was a rabid Democrat, but I was taken completely off guard when she commanded me (literally) to get down on my knees and plead to my god for forgiveness.

Obviously, she was she was a nut-job (and damn my soft spot for redheads) and that one probably would have ended ugly, no matter.

Point being, being religious in no way precludes being a Collectivist, or vice versa.

Honestly, I see very little distinction between the two.


Ah ha, inveterate nixonoclast, I found you.

Before I put a foot in my mouth, I will read the previous posts here.

Inveterate Iconoclast.

Sorry Tom, too late.

Go ahead and read anyway...

Whenever the Democrats win an election they think they'll have eternal power until the voters take it away from them.

Call it opportunism. Both parties do it.

Since the recent elections, some disappointed Republicans have behaved as if offended because voters denied them what is rightfully theirs.

BTW, "...eternal power until the voters take it away..." contradicts itself. But that's okay; you wrote it hurriedly.

BTW2, have you heard the recent talk about Tea Party Two?




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