This time I am in argument with my mother over "under god" being in the pledge and how we are disrespectful to our country for not saying it. I am going insane with people confusing patriotism with or pledge that was altered in 1954 and violates our first amendment. I am very much in agreement with the rest of our allegiance; just not the "god" part. Any other rants out there?

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>They hired influential ministers to give sermons that linked religion and patriotism.

Even back then they were practiced in the art of deception.

Those business leaders must have read Babbit.

...I am very uncomfortable, as I am sure all of us are, in having to say those words  in the pledge.

SCOTUS in 1943 ruled that no one has to say either those words or any other part of the Pledge.

Federal appellate courts have ruled that no one has to stand while others are saying the Pledge. This issue might go to SCOTUS if other appellate courts rule differently.

Theists and other scoundrels have long pretended to own patriotism. They use it to conceal their misdeeds.

I've only been speaking English for 5 decades, so I don't understand all of the nuances of the language. Maybe someone can explain.

What dies it mean to pledge allegiance? Does it mean we will do what it says? Do flags speak? And how do you pledge - is that the same as taking an oath, to swear? What are the consequences if you stop giving allegiance, whatever allegiance is?

And what does it mean to pledge allegiance to a country? How is that different to pledging allegiance to the republic? Does it mean one will obey? Specifically, who do we obey? Which politicin, or which officer, or is it just the laws? What happened to freedom?

The whole thing sounds like Jabberwocky to me. If we are just saying, "I will be loyal and defend America unless it means I need to sacrifice something or be a little uncomfortable" why dont we just say that?

In the Army I had to memorize the Military Code of Conduct. It started
"I am an Anerican, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense". At least that I understoond.

The pledge of allegiance sounds like gibberish.

At least the "with liberty and justice for all rich straight Christian white men" part makes sense.

If you make a pledge, are you stating you are forgoing your liberty?

The only pledge I'm going to make is to preserve my virginity until . . . oh, wait.

You screwed up?

So to speak. (Not sure how the direction is relevant.)

Even though I've never been plagued by a modicum of restraint, I'm going to refrain from making a rimshot comment.

If the Repub Party wants to survive, they'll have to get a few million rich old white male immigrants and make them citizens.

They haven't succeeded so they're trying to keep minority citizens from voting,

"I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the republic for Richard Stands."

First grade  1952



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