The economy in the United States is in a collapse.  The Capitalist system does not work anymore; banks have become more powerful than our politicians.  The government now has a policy based around Fear and Greed.  The rich are getting
richer and more powerful, while the great masses of America wallow in poverty.

Must we continue to exist in this passive state, only living to serve the rich and powerful?  Or do we, the great masses, stand up against the policies of Fear, and Greed, and
God?  We must break the bonds that
separate us, we must pull down the centers of Greed and Fear and we must pull
down the houses of God.  

These borders are created to separate us into individuals where we can be controlled easier.

We must stand up, against the tyranny of the centers of Greed, and Fear, and God; quoting John Adams: “People should not fear government, government should fear people.” 
Once we stand up to Fear, to Greed, to God, we will become united!

This being said, I advocate the collapse of the Capitalist system and the foundation of the United Socialist Federal Republic, in which the government will exist to serve the people. 
Capitalism is Dead.  We must put
it out of it’s misery and move on toward Socialism. (to view the 19 pages of discussion)

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I don't think we are socialist republic. We have certain programs such as welfare and social security but our economy is very much a privatized economy and capitalistic system. The government might have some control over the economy, but it is the corporations that have the most control over it.
I'm referring to the corruption by the rich and powerful, they control the government in many aspects... as my father says the 'almighty dollar is more important'.

What I want to establish is more socialistic nation. Less government control and more power to the people, and the people will assist each other.

Though the rich and powerful will never want this to happen, and thus a war will happen... a nasty side effect

What I want to establish is more socialistic nation. Less government control and more power to the people, and the people will assist each other.

My head a splode.

Why? If I may ask...

Less government control and more power to the people is not socialism. That is classic liberalism. Socialism is an economic model and, as an economic model, "less government control and more power to the people" is its antithesis.


Words like socialism and capitalism have strict and established definitions.


What you're talking about it is the marriage between social-libertarianism and socialism. What you've described isn't socialism, it's the first incarnation of Neo-conservatism, or classic neo-conservatism, an anti-Stalinist leftism that supported social programs and advocated for active confrontation with oppressors.

NO where has it ever been written that socialism requires BIG government. Our BIG governments are products of capitalists' obsession with getting their greedy hands into every pie, skirting all the rules, then forcing government to hire ridiculous numbers of enforcement agents to try and curtail their illegal activities. In a just society, governments would be much smaller. Government would take care of education, health, communication standards, we'd abolish private ownership beyond single person ownership, dismantle corporations completely and encourage small scale free enterprise. We'd remove all corporate representatives from all government infrastructrures and limit electoral spending... Get out of professional armies and return to a system where every citizen is responsible to the defense of the country... and either make all borders open for all people or shut down the ridiculous cheap foreign labour policies forced down people's throats around the world... and stop stealing resources from poorer countries... Yep, that would be a small government socialist society.


Sweden came quite close to this kind of system a few decades ago, but then their PM was murdered and everything went downhill since then as corporations regained their hold on power.

Just going to reply here so the text isn't as clumped.


What you described is classic socialism, Pre-Marx socialism. Socialism as an economic model not a political one. Classic socialism is ownership of the means of production by the workers. It's sort of what's going on in GM now that the UAW owns a sizable portion of the company. This socialism doesn't care about government or who gets to say what to whom, it doesn't say anything about a social safety-net, this just promotes ownership of the means of production by the ones doing the producing. It is that coop you're talking about. If you own your own business, you are, in effect, a kind of micro-socialist.


There's a fusion of socialism and capitalism called market-socialism where coops compete in a market economy.


When you start talking about socialism as a means of balancing power, you're no longer talking about socialism, you're talking about Marxism.


When you start talking about achieving Marxism by instigating violent revolt and establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat, you're talking about Leninism.


When you start talking about imposing Leninism on the rest of the world while crushing dissenters at home, you're talking about Stalinism.


When you start talking about government guarantees of standards of living, you're talking about welfare state.


When you talk about government imposing private morals and insecurities on society, you're talking about a nanny state.


Yes, those are broad summaries, but I feel they are honest. Talking about socialism in terms of political power does a disservice to socialism. I'm not trying to be a stickler for definitions, but if we want to have a discussion on this, the definitions need to be clear. Otherwise we throw around concepts inappropriately and end up with profound words like "socialism" and "theory" losing all meaning.


If we had any kind of serious socialism in this country we would not have jobs going overseas, I guarantee you that. There would still be a distribution of wealth as coops that make computers would almost certainly earn more than coops making bread; the breadth of this distribution just wouldn't be as dramatic as it is now.


As for this new name for the proposed country it honestly looks like four words were chosen that ran sort of alright and were stitched together.


A Federal Republic with more power to the people... how does that even work?

Perhaps I used the term "socialism" in a different sense... please, let me try to explain.


Socialism, as I see it, is the formation of classless society, where the people will help each other and the government only steps in to see the transfer of goods.


You grow potatoes and I make chairs.  You need chairs and I need potatoes.  The Government only steps in to ensure that the transfer is complete.


It's true, that my idea has advanced since I first proposed it.  I have absorbed much information in a short time.  Those that are wealthy are also among those who are powerful.  They now control the government.  American Capitalism has turned into Totalitarian Corporatism.  The Republicans and Democrats are just the lap dogs for the wealthy 1-2% of America.  That is where the real power lies.


We are spoon-fed our entire lives that 'America is a democracy'.  It isn't, well not anymore.

America was founded as a Republic, then we formed into a Democracy, after the industrial age America became Capitalist, and now it is Totalitarian Corporatism.


What I want is for my country to be free, more than anything.  I want the people to live and work and play without having to fear the world.  I want the people to help each other and to live without worrying about whats around the corner or up the hill.  It may sound naive of me, but I want a utopia society, or as close as we can get.\


As I have stated before, if I can get this society without a war, I'll do it in a heartbeat.

But I won't... those with the power won't allow it. It will turn into a war.


I will be there to fight and I will be there to defend and, if need be, I will die to see America truly free.


People have said that I'm an idealist. Perhaps that is true.  I want America free, I want America to choose its own path, without bowing to the Corporate Masters, I want the world to see that America, itself, is not arrogant; but it is the Corporations that have taken it over.


I will continue to support and defend my ideas.  I will not sit by while the flames of freedom get snuffed out over the world.


The day is coming.  There will be a war between the United Socialist Federal Republic and the Totalitarian Corporations, and I will be there to fight and die for what I believe.


Thank you for your time.

I don't think a revolution is any longer feasible in the conventional sense of the term in our modern society.


Our "New and Improved" advanced technological society now enslaves us. Have you tried recently to purchase a plain ticket with cash? We have video surveillance on public ways, we have electronic monitoring of private citizens via RFIDs, all government agencies, both domestic and international, now share their databases, words said on the internet, even tho they are no longer visible to us or in our minds, are kept and/or well logged and accessible to powers that be (think Canadian scientist denied entry into USA this decade for scientific research done on LSD in 60s, without any criminal past, simply due to a publication, think Facebook, whom in their privacy statements state that any words exchanged on Facebook can be used by Facebook anytime in the future, anything 'said' on Facebook 'belongs' to Facebook). We have facial recognition software on our home laptops, this technology has arrived to us peons long after the military/CIA/FBI has compiled it's databases. How many of you turn off your cookies when traveling the internet??? What percentage of society have not been fingerprinted by the law or donated their private fingerprint to corporations for the sake of lazy ID systems... Biometric identifiers are no more secure than a signature, they simple require a little more technology. We're now implanting tracking chips into children who's parents don't have time to be proper parents...


It really makes me sad when people say technology is freeing us... We have never been so enslaved. Our future may include more World Wars, but I do think we'll ever see revolution again, unless the system colapses due to a technological glitch. Big Brother is now, and has been for some time. We have traded freedom for comfort and ease.

We don't 'need' any of that shyte. They are strictly tools of social repression. In the USA, more people die of food poisening due to an inefficient FDA EVERY SINGLE YEAR, than were killed in on 09/11.


Terrorism is the government's mantra to keep people fearful, and willing to accept supression of rights.


Do you know there have long been areas in Canada where public phone booths are shut down at night "to prevent illegal transactions"?...


The day Western civilisation stops dumping it's garbage policies onto the rest of the world, we'll be safer. Terrorism is the consequence of our own inaction to make our governments listen behave responsibly.

White people should just GET OUT OF AFRICA, in body, in finance, in corporate. WE have fucked up Africa and now you blame Africa for terrorism... that is almost funny, if it were'nt so sad.


You have bought into the fearmongering... simple as that.


Brits are pretty much a secular society now, all that's needed now is to tear down all religious institutions... the muslims/christians that are there can just to their worshipping at home, in small groups, to prevent them from gaining power.


I want the same thing here, once tax breaks are completely removed from religion, they won't survive and will have to get rid of many churches. Let the French Revolution Dereligification come again.

I think the gist is that we want people before profit, doesn't matter what you call it but socialism does provide historical and contemporary models (like worker coops) for the emancipation of the poor ... and calling ourselves socialist also generates the awareness that we HAVE BEEN through the class struggle and that the working class and the poor WON already: that is what the label SOCIALISM does, it gives those in power the impression that the power is in the hands of the people, not of the few, much less of corporations.

The problem with American capitalism is that it's not just capitalism, it's heartless CORPORATISM. It's extremist capitalism, it's completely dehumanizing and anti-democratic, and our government belongs to these heartless capitalists. Trillions of our tax dollars are being squandered fighting wars that only serve the interests of oil and military investors and kill millions, and lobbyists from all industries including the oil, pharma and even cancer and aids industries, are buying our lawmakers in d.c. right under our noses so that laws are passed that only serve corporations and are detrimental to our public health, to our human rights, to the environment, to the consumers, the workers, etc.

This is gonna be a huge battle in the future generations: tiny humans against giant, impersonal corporations. I myself have been unemployed and underemployed for two years and am beginning to be unable to pay the mortgage. The assets of the richest fifth in the US have tripled in the last three decades while the vast majority of Americans are entering a vicious cycle of poverty ... meanwhile the banks are being bailed out and while ceo's get unwarranted millions of dollars in bonuses with that money, thousands of workers lost their jobs in this recession (myself included, i used to work for bank of america).

America is becoming a country of poor people. We do not need to fast forward another generation: it's already happening.

This is going to fundamentally change our collective psyche, it's already changing us. We can't be convinced by media and the gov't into thinking we're the great superpower if you go out in the streets and see the homeless, the destitute everywhere. We will swing to the left, for sure, and there may be a revolution around the corner.

I think we've been turning into a country of poor people for a while, but many people were hipnotized by corporate-controlled media into thinking they were 'average middle class americans' for very long. A PERSON LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK IS NOT MIDDLE CLASS. People had a false class conscience. But that's changing now that people can't escape the truth.

It's actually liberating to admit that I'm truly poor, for the first time in my life. A person can't be part of a class struggle without first realizing viscerally that he is destitute. I hope more people realize where we really are at this junction in history and stop voting against their own interests.




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