Do we have a democracy in the US, or a plutocracy? Or somewhere in between? Or something completely different? How much does money really influence American politics?

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A lot.


(I'm a man of few words.)

Dylan Ratigan half-jokingly said we Americans "like to pretend we have democracy", but all the money going into politics really makes our system a complete sham. I thought it was terribly provocative to realize, hey wait, we don't even have DEMOCRACY? What the hell? I'm going to dwell on this point for a long time.
One of our problems is that people ingest propaganda and then fool themselves into thinking it's their own opinion. I think we have a facade of democracy, but not a genuine democracy (whatever that is).
I was trying to convince a couple people today that the Democrats and Republicans are NOT Communistic.
Geez, they must have been Libertarians, no?
They were basing it on the voting system.  They seemed to think that only in Communist countries is the voting "fixed".  I don't know about either one of their political affiliations.
That's retarded. I hope you had some good counterarguments?
Nope, They didn't seem interested.  Besides, I was at work and I really didn't want to get into it.

I'd have to agree and say Plutocracy.  John Dewey said it: "Government is the shadow cast by business over society."


Here is good info on who is getting whom elected:




Plutocracy yes.  In America past there were many political parties. Now only two parties ran by corporations. Voting makes you think you have a choice in the direction of the country.
I DO vote, because the moneyed class WANTS the rest of us to be disenfranchised.
I vote for Democratic Presidents. It does feel pretty useless. I didn't vote when Gore lost, and I just wonder how people feel who voted for him and know that in reality he won but we ended up with 8 years of GWB instead. I did then vote for Kerry, who lost, and then Obama, who won. But then look at what has happened since. Okay, things would have been even worse if it were McCain/Palin (shudder), but Obama didn't take any stand against the banks, he didn't pass a truly national healthcare system, he didn't do a lot of things that the left stands for. He took a middle road approach, a compromised approach, which, being better than what those on the right are advocating, isn't a truly leftist alternative. So we on the left have to choose between going full right or some compromise with the right. We don't have a true democracy where our voices are represented. So revolution becomes a real alternative for us.


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