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The US: Democracy, or Plutocracy?

Do we have a democracy in the US, or a plutocracy? Or somewhere in between? Or something completely different? How much does money really influence American politics?

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Permalink Reply by Glen Rosenberg on September 29, 2011 at 11:07am

Dogly,

You may face only mild discrimination. Although you may want to wait/see if the teabaggers get in. But our problems as a civilization in this sphere of religiously based discrimination and oppression are a little awful.

And I am in no way minimizing the importance of the issue. It just seems logical to me that the people issues are paramount.

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Permalink Reply by Dogly on September 30, 2011 at 12:50pm

Glen, I am an "atheist activist". I don't wiat/see if the teabaggers get in. I'm extremely proud to be a member of Atheists of Florida. I have travelled with our members to speak out at several county's public meetings of school boards and county commission meetings where prayers are recited by baptist ministers, and where plans to post the ten commandments have been protested. EllenBeth Wachs is our VP. Google her name and atheist. She was jailed for a week in solitary, tormented, and deprived of her necessary Rx meds - her crime??? -being an atheist in Polk County, FL. I didn't mean to make light of the discrimination atheists face each day. I just think we should simultaneously struggle against all forms of injustice. I may one day be jailed for being an atheist, but being another species is punishable by death. That's far worse discrimination, and it can not wait until I get mine.

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Permalink Reply by Glen Rosenberg on September 30, 2011 at 5:21pm

There are a number of sharp and thoughtful comments here.

Dogly, when I refer to discrimination emanating from the corpse or religion I am not so concerned about discrimination against atheists. It is significant but it is minor in relation to the whole.

You are correct in pointing out our utter failure in connection with animals. I just dont think humanity as it progresses (if it progresses) will be willing to place much importance there until out own ship stops listing.

Do you consider Jefferson a great man? I dont. Cant buy the excuse that his acceptance of slavery was excused by the mores of his period. And perhaps it is so with those of us who realize animals are sentient and emotional and intelligent; that inspite of that knowledge we alter our practices little to none.

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Permalink Reply by Jedi Wanderer on October 1, 2011 at 7:59am

“I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

-Thomas Jefferson

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Permalink Reply by AgeOfAtheists14 on September 30, 2011 at 9:20pm

well it's not a theocracy nor monarchy so seculocracy?

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Permalink Reply by TNT666 on October 1, 2011 at 2:34am

oh ya, those secular Humanists and their manifesto. :) More sheople.

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Permalink Reply by Will Faithless Sophia on October 5, 2011 at 2:34pm

http://www.infowars.com/targeting-the-real-enemy-occupy-the-fed/

http://occupywallst.org/

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

http://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/

http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/

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Permalink Reply by Jedi Wanderer on October 5, 2011 at 5:00pm

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Permalink Reply by TNT666 on October 5, 2011 at 7:35pm

Thank you, very effective visuals.

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Permalink Reply by Will Faithless Sophia on October 7, 2011 at 10:36pm

http://www.marxist.com/surprise-golman-sachs-rules-the-world.htm

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Permalink Reply by Jedi Wanderer on October 8, 2011 at 7:33am

Yeah thanks Will, I've seen this video already a bunch of times, it sure does drop one's jaw! I wouldn't mind learning how to make money off of a downward market as well. The mainstream media always gives the brightest, most optimistic perspectives of "society", etc., as if progress is inevitable. But sometimes, you get to hear the darker side. No way they are letting that guy back on BBC. I recently caught a segment (somewhere) which also called into question the future of the EU and the global economy, and there was one guy who was talking about the impending collapse of the eurozone and potentially another european war. Some guy who wrote a book about how Germans are going into Greece as tax collectors and someone is going to get killed because Greeks are used to their tax collectors NOT collecting taxes... Sorry my memory is so bad.