THIS is a direct extension of Christian Persecution Syndrome.  of course it's about as ridiculous a statement as a human being can make.  but its made possible by consistently feeling that you're religion is under attack by the big bad secular government.  which reminds me of an email i just got from my mother.  and oldie but a goodie:

Today I went to visit the new World War II Memorial in Washington , DC . I got an unexpected history lesson. Because I'm a baby boomer, I was one of the youngest in the crowd. Most were the age of my parents, Veterans of 'the greatest war,' with their families. It was a beautiful day, and people were smiling and happy to be there. Hundreds of us milled around the memorial, reading the inspiring words of Eisenhower and Truman that are engraved there.
On the Pacific side of the memorial, a group of us gathered to read the words President Roosevelt used to announce the attack on Pearl Harbor :
'Yesterday, December 7, 1941--a date which will live in infamy--the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked.' 
One elderly woman read the words aloud: 
'With confidence in our armed forces, with the abounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph.' 
But as she read, she was suddenly turned angry. 'Wait a minute,' she said, 'they left out the end of the quote. They left out the most important part. Roosevelt ended the message with 'so help us God.' 

Her husband said, 'You are probably right. We're not supposed to say things like that now.' 
'I know I'm right,' she insisted. 'I remember the speech.' The two looked dismayed, shook their heads sadly and walked away. 
Listening to their conversation, I thought to myself, 'Well, it has been over 50 years; she's probably forgotten.' But she had not forgotten. She was right.. 

I went home and pulled out the book my book club is reading --- 'Flags of Our Fathers' by James Bradley. It's all about the battle at Iwo Jima .. 
I haven't gotten too far in the book. It's tough to read because it's a graphic description of the WWII battles in the Pacific. 
But right there it was on page 58.  Roosevelt 's speech to the nation ends  ' so help us God .' 

The people who edited out that part of the speech when they engraved it on the memorial could have fooled me. I was born after the war! But they couldn't fool the people who were there. 
Roosevelt 's words are engraved on their hearts. 

Send this around to your friends. People need to know before everyone forgets. 

People today are trying to change the history of America by leaving God out of it, but the truth is, God has been a part of this nation, since the beginning. He still wants to be...and He always will be! 

If you agree, pass this on and God Bless YOU!
If not, May God Forgive You!  


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in case you didn't figure it out, this is complete bullshit.  when i explained to her that it's not true but the fact that she keeps getting emails like this is due to Christians need to feel persecuted her response was "oops".  yes, oops indeed/  

Well, news bulletin: FDR did say it ... did say, "so help us god."  I've checked three different transcripts of the "Infamy" speech, and it's in all three.

Now ... does that give incensed christians the right to get all pissed off at the exclusion of four lousy words?  Far as I'm concerned, they can get pissed off all they want.  Fact is, if I'm correct, the portion of the memorial which has the FDR quote is pretty heavily edited as it is.  Have a look:

So are they going to get all bent about all the OTHER things left out of a speech which originally ran about seven minutes complete, or just because four words at the end of a paragraph which they are particularly sensitive about got dropped?

This kind of infantile obsession is tiresome and hardly befits the behavior of an adult.


Postscript: worthy of note: those supposedly essential four words were NOT the end of FDR's address.  These were:

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire.
-- President Franklin Delano Roosevelt

One of my favorite digs at Christians, is this, When I hear them start to whine about their phony "persecution complex" I always compare them to the Muslims who do the exact same thing. "You and the Islamists have a lot in common, don't you. Both of you whine and snivel if anyone says anything against your cults. Got a suggestion for you. If it hurts that bad, buy some personal hygiene ointment!"

I love that Mike!

Excellent Mike

Well Thor is pretty trustworthy, by all accounts.  As for Zeus, well, hide your daughters.

I like "One Nation under Ra" the best, though.  Great for cheerleading chants, for instance.  And given how popular cat videos are on Youtube, I've got a hunch that Ra might still be out there exerting an influence on us all.

Yes, cats were considered devine, especially in ancient Egypt. Cat excrement was even used in medical ointments. (I'm not making this up.)

"Tell me, Cleopatra, has your rash improved any?"

"Oh, it's much better now, thanks.  How's your coffee?"

I think I'd take the ointment over the drink, but it's a tough call.

i don't believe in god which is obvious. but i agree no one has the right to change history. who ever has and does, i have no respect for and they should be ashamed of themselves. i don't care if it goes against what i stand for, if something happened it happened all everyone can do is move on.

The editing of FDR's seven-minute speech for a concise quote on the WWII memorial was absolutely appropriate. He spoke as a president of all the American people.

Still, as much as we wish such things weren't part of political and patriotic appeals in the 20th century, he did say "so help us god", and we can find that in full transcripts. It would be criminal to try to rewrite history 1984-style by sealing, destroying, or forging recordings and transcripts.

We can hope for and work towards a flourishing society where people have no need to keep reinventing gods with (as Heinlein put it) the manners and morals of a spoiled child.

Well that was interesting. I had a moment and decided to look into this myself. When trying to find the original speech, a link to snopes appeared here. That the complaint is bogus isn't surprising. As you mentioned there is a reference to god but it's located in a later paragraph. It isn't located at the end of the speech either, which gives even less weight to the complaint. So it appears the OC (Original Compainer) isn't unhappy that history was rewritten, they were unhappy their specific brand of religion wasn't placed front and center in history, even though it would be completely inappropriate.

Has that EVER happened before?

Of all the things to be unhappy about in the world...

America had just suffered a terrible loss of life and military capability. All they seem to be worried about is that GOD gets free advertising.

This cartoon came to mind. Is there a religion where god is called Ginger?




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