God may not exist.  At least not what humans may view as god.  But I KNOW UFO's are real!  Though I can't offer any proof of what I say.  So believe it, or not.  Though with TV shows showing people who have supposedly seen all types of unbelievable crap, my guess is that you wouldn't believe.  Which is fine with me.  But if you had experienced what I did, you would know they exist too.

  The next question is that if extraterrestrials are visiting us, why haven't they made themselves openly known to humanity.  There are many reasons.  But probably the biggest reason is that humans are the types of creatures that will actually pay money to be lied to.  Anybody who has seen a collection plate being passed around in a church knows this to be true.  But as for the truth, you can barely give that shit away.  I know because I wrote a free ebook of my experience.  It's called "A UFO LOVE STORY."  Apparently, people are vastly more interested in reading about bondage, spanking or some other filthy crap.  Learning that there are no easy solutions to the world's problems is something that they don't want to know.

  Another reason that UFO people want nothing to do with is because of the highly unethical way that most people have decided to deal with the world's problems.  Which is that what happens doesn't really matter.  As long as it happens to someone else.  Then there is the highly evil approach that many religious people take.  Which is to actually look forward to the destruction of the earth!  Then they can go and be herded around in heaven by Jesus.  Despite all this, for decidedly stupid reasons, I still care about what happens to humanity.


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Putting the ufo thing aside, you must be very educated or very misled.  Wherever you read about this"critertion of dissimilarity" thing, burn that book!  It has no relevance to the problems that plague mankind.  There was a more relevant saying that I think was from a person named Sinclair.  He basically said that it is nearly impossible to get people to understand something when their livelihood depended on them not understanding it.  This also has a relevance to those who are in power.  Because those in power will be highly unlikely to get you to understand something important when their livelihood depends on them not doing so.

Well I'm certainly not very educated, so I must be very misled.  It had never before occurred to me to follow that line of logic, so please give me a moment to see where it leads... Oh, OK, intuition = good, reason = bad -- got it, but don't buy it.

What you've related from this Sinclair fellow is apt, and it basically reiterates what I related from Ehrman; that is, if the presented evidence supports the presenter's a priori view, it is to be accorded less credence among other data than if it conflicted with that view.  The underlying concept is that people tend to see what they want to see, remember what they want to remember, and disregard the rest.  I'm not immune to confirmation bias -- nobody is, but we are susceptible to it to greater or lesser degrees.  Call it a bullshit meter or subjecting an assertion to the laughter test.  Your UFO experience passes neither, at least in my opinion.

Give us something other than your intuitive feeling and we'll have something substantive to discuss.  Until then, it's your fantasy.


Oh, OK, intuition = good, reason = bad -- got it, but don't buy it.

It's more like "if you want to be clued into a hidden reality and not deceived by powerful people, believe aliens are visiting us".
And who wants to be deceived by powerful people?  Who does not have some resentment at Authorities? 

It's a cognitive Goldberg machine.  Someone presses a lever at 1) and at spot 18), a belief in UFO's gets installed in your brain.

If you accept the Goldberg machine. 

I do tend to react badly to someone who says burn a book especially from someone thinking that they are an author and not someone who has written a stream of nonsense. Books can either inform you of things or inform you what is not the case, using judgement and other sources of information you can decide.

I do believe in the existence of UFOs because I too have experienced one several years ago. As fascinating as they may be, they aren't proof that extraterrestrials are visiting our planet (even if I wish it were true). Where do these UFOs come from and are they manmade? I hope the truth is revealed soon, I am too curious. I wish I could believe in the existence of ETs, but I remain skeptical. I wouldn't dismiss it altogether because I prefer not to be ignorant towards the possibility of other life in a similar planetary system.


  As far as ufo's being from other planets goes, what else could they be.  Not only that, but people have been seeing them throughout recorded history.  That would put the "man made" thing out of the picture.  Though I couldn't say it's impossible that the U.S. is experimenting with such technology.  Also, like I told someone else, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are it's a duck.  It's too bad that the actual ones that have been seen didn't have "From Another Planet" written on the side of them.  Or maybe that they had sails or oars for people to recognize them as ships.  But I think the biggest problem people have is that they want nothing to do with us.

UFO's were not really recorded before manned flight and have increased in direct proportion with the number of aircraft.

I think you are pretty damned gullible, Erik.

"As far as UFO's being from other planets, what else could they be?"

They could be many things from tricks of the eye to all things terrestrial. The evidence so far shows that we are all alone here. The only other "evidence" is presented by people wanting to make a buck. Why do they do this? It's because some people have very big imaginations, and there's a dollar to be made. This is also why they write books on these subjects too.

I have seen UFO's but they could be anything. Unidentfied flying object does not mean "space ship." Today we have more things in the sky than ever, but some of this is a trick of the human eye. I saw a program once where camera footage had captured a UFO and almost every "expert" that looked at it said it had to be a flying object. Finally one man looked it all over and claimed that it was an out of focus video camera. He took a video camera similar to the one the footage was on and produced the same results.

I find subjects like this endlessly fascinating. I want to believe, truly I do. But until I see some HARD evidence, and not just the hearsay of someone, however respectable and thoughtful they might be, I will withhold my acceptance that we are being visited by anyone from outside the solar system. You believe what you want to believe, Erik, but please don't come here and tell us that we are uneducated and indoctrinated. Many of us have read quite a bit. Many of us have been where you are and have changed our minds. Many of us have empathy for you and wish to share in your human experience. We're curious about the world, curious about people, and willing and more than able to experience awe in how amazing our universe is. You've obviously put a lot of energy of your life into the story you've created (about 400 pages, if I read that right on the download website). It's no small task. Kudos to you for being brave enough to put yourself out there. But it's all hearsay. All we're asking for is something verifiable, something that can be put on the table and examined. I get that asking for that is a challenge to your very core and that threatens you so you strike out and belittle us. Well, it's time to stop that. You came here to us, we didn't come to you. If you want to convince us, give us something real.

  Reg MM,

  Concerning ufo's, my experience aside, the proof you seek is out there.  Unfortunately, it is buried in a bunch of bullshit.  It's hard to tell sometimes if the things they say on TV is real or not.  They have put out TV shows trying to convince people that mermaids and extinct giant sharks exist.  The bullshit is easy to spot there.  As for the whole Roswell thing, in my opinion it was just a military intelligence thing created to sow doubt in possible enemies..  But can all the things that people do know be bullshit?  Well if you aren't personally involved, I guess the answer would have to be yes.  But there was one couple who had a solidified chunk of metal analyzed that they say they saw ejected from a ufo.  It turned out to have unusual properties that couldn't be faked.  There were some "rock hounds" out looking for interesting rocks on another occasion.  They picked up a rock that they brought back to their place and cut in half. What was revealed was something like an alien spark plug.  An x-ray of the object revealed even more astonishing detail.  Then there is the podiatrist who had detected radio emissions from small, alien implants.  etc.  

  But you say you want something real.  Well I have something real enough for you.  Humans are savages with cell phones.  Taking what other people have is what we are really good at. What Jesus taught was just a form of asymmetrical warfare.  Anything that humans are psychologically susceptible to, humans use against each other.  Also, like in the short story, "The Marching Morons,"  we are at this moment "devo."  People want what they want.  Our whole system of government is corrupt. People have evolved to only exist with the social lubricant of lies.  If you are an Atheist, at least you have been able to strip off a layer of bullshit. But there are many others to go. Layers that you probably aren't even aware of.  These are some of the reasons why UFO people want nothing to do with us.  Apart from wanting to avoid being suicide bombed.  This is the only reality you need to concern yourself with.  



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