I know this might not come as a shock to many here but, I thought I would share it anyway. I have been operating as an Atheist with the understanding that ALL people have the ability to drop the shackles of their belief system. I thought they where just misguided. I felt if a person was provided enough evidence to totally dismantle their belief in a positive discussion with NO aggression they would drop it and start thinking for themselves. Well.....I was wrong.

I actually have a court date now because of it. The guy actually tried to beat me up after I proved him wrong on every point he tried to make and he was unable to answer even ONE of my questions. They funny thing is that it was almost 4 hours later when he attempted to assault me. I'm not mad at the guy I just really don't understand.

I didn't even ask for the debate. I was at work. He came to me asking questions about god, satan, ghosts, even aliens. I simply answered them. While the conversation was taking place every other employee including management got involved and started asking me questions. Mind you, I live in the bible belt. For someone to say the things I am saying is unheard of.

He was not the only one to try to "stump the Atheist." The others asked questions as well. After the conversation was over two people had changed their minds! YAY ATHEISM!! I think about 8 have really strong doubts about their religion but aren't ready to take that leap. But the one guy just walked off quietly. Didn't say a word about it the rest of the day. He talked to me like normal for the rest of the work day.

When we got off he waited for me in the parking lot. He approached me and asked if I thought it was funny to bring his coworkers to hell with me. I was about to respond when he swung at me. I was trained by the military so the altercation didn't last long. I called an ambulance to come pick him up and stayed to speak to the police department. Now I'm going to court. WTF?!?!?!? lol Oh well, I live by a saying I learned in the Army. Stand for something or fall for anything.

The Update for easier reading.....

Ok so here's what happened. I know I kinda spoiled it but, I knew a lot of you where on the edge of you seat trying wanting to know how the courts would deal with it. Basically the judge told him "EVEN THOUGH this man doesn't believe in Christ he was able to act with more morality than you are even capable of understanding. You are a menace and uncontrollable. Your actions have put a bad name not only on yourself but, on all people who believe as you do. You ought to be ashamed and I hope when you go to your probation violation hearing the state picks this case up and runs with it to the fullest extent of the law."

You like that? "EVEN THOUGH"?? As if we are incapable of being moral by the "Christian" standard. In my opinion he acted better than Christians did during the Inquisition. He addressed me "Mr. 'A' (I don't wanna use my real last name) I apologize for this inconvenience and the court will not take any more of your time. You are free to leave unless you have anything to add?" So I calmly said "Your honor, the only thing that I would ask is that you put yourself in his position. The man lost his job, the use of his arm, his pride, and now quite possibly his freedom. I understand he broke the law...however I broke his arm. I know this is not a carnal society as in the days of the Inquisition (yes I said it) but I feel like he has had his punishment. The only thing I would like to stress to this court is that we Atheists DO have morality however, to our advantage, it's NOT God given. Therefore we can and DO alter it to fit the situation. This man only acted as every Christian in the past acted when their beliefs where put through the scrutiny of science. I don't fault him. I fault society. That is all I have to say."

At this, the judge recommended some ridiculously large amount of community service and that he write a formal apology which I declined to accept. I signed a form before I left the court that said he apologized and left it at that.

Now Bring on the Church debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The later update.....

First and foremost I wanna thank EVERYONE for the support. You guys are still AMAZING!!!!!!!

I spoke with the pastor today. He claims that it's just standard b.s. He said that we wants an open format and to allow audience questions. I asked him what kind of "standard" b.s. he was referring to. His response was "oh, you know things like no cussing and the like." I told him we could just go on good faith that I would refrain from things like that to which he said "I thought Atheists had NO faith?" Good point. He laughed and I told him that he would have to make sure to give me this arrangement no later than Wednesday seeing as he wants me at church on Sunday. He agreed that he would have it done earlier than that. I asked him who I would be debating and he said that he had MANY volunteers but, was "told by God" he should be the one to do it......the phrase "Why hast thou forsaken me?" came to mind but, I resisted the urge.

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I got the same shit at my old job, very close to all out war there from so many disfunctional angles.

Have your heard of Greydon Square? He was in wars as well. Heavy duty lyrics. Rap, good mix music, little of east and west style.

check him out, he holds no punches in regards to fundies:
wow. Never heard of him. I'll definitely check it out. thanks.
@James R. McCall: I checked Greydon Square out (never heard of him before), and he's great! So I've learned something today too! Thanks!
It's funny that another guy from Iraq took the same avenue I did! lol I work with 3-6 Mafia here is our stuff

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Very good story with an unfortunate outcome. I agree with others here that work is not a place to have that conversation, but I can't say I'm innocent of never talking about it. But I've never talked to anyone about it that I know regularly goes to church or anything.

I hope everything turns out well for you.
Some theists never learn...
Good luck in the court!
Your Honor, he attacked me; I defended myself. End of story

Well it is, and it isn't ... because it isn't just about demonstrating the fallacies of the arguments in favor of a deity. We're ALSO talking about an addiction here, gang, an addiction TO that deity, to belief in it and dependence on it! And there are people ... quite a few people, I suspect ... who simply cannot handle having their crutch taken away from them without so much as a by-your-leave.

Now before you jump, NO, I'm NOT saying you did anything wrong in swiss-cheese-ing your assailant's "support system." You can accurately say he asked for it ... and got considerably more than what he asked for! What I'm suggesting is culturing a bit of awareness of your audience, not just in what they know or don't know, but the implications of their dependence on their faith ... because THAT cultures how they'll react to things like this.

Forewarned is forearmed ... in more ways than one. In any case, best wishes in your court case!
I really appreciate all the concern but as I said earlier, I'm an ex-cop. I've only been out of the force a couple of months due to cut-backs. The reason The cops where involved was because I called them to get an ambulance for the guy. I'm not really concerned about court. AGAIN I would like to thank everyone for their concern!! You guys are great.

As far as the debate itself, you are right I didn't ask for it. I was not aware that people have grown so accustomed to their silly rituals that if you show them they may be wrong they will lash out in violence. I expected some anger and frustration but not violence. This will NOT sway me from talking about Atheism. If I'm asked again, I will speak again. All I can say is "momma ain't raise no punk" lol
"not aware that people have grown so accustomed to their silly rituals that if you show them they may be wrong they will lash out in violence. I expected some anger and frustration but not violence."

Then I am afraid that you have not learned from history. We are living through yet another civil rights movement. Atheists and Gays are crawling out of the woodwork and the Christians are scared.

And when people are scared of losing their way of life, they will fight for it. Quite literally, because they feel they have no other alternative. Think about it from his point of view. His end goal was probably to sway you toward a deity, and you, with your silver tongue, swayed your co-workers instead. And his fear grew even more.

Do not think that I am telling you that you did anything wrong, because you haven't. I am a true supporter of educating the ignorant, but please, don't forget to learn from history yourself.



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