I know this might not come as a shock to many here but, I thought I would share it anyway. I have been operating as an Atheist with the understanding that ALL people have the ability to drop the shackles of their belief system. I thought they where just misguided. I felt if a person was provided enough evidence to totally dismantle their belief in a positive discussion with NO aggression they would drop it and start thinking for themselves. Well.....I was wrong.

I actually have a court date now because of it. The guy actually tried to beat me up after I proved him wrong on every point he tried to make and he was unable to answer even ONE of my questions. They funny thing is that it was almost 4 hours later when he attempted to assault me. I'm not mad at the guy I just really don't understand.

I didn't even ask for the debate. I was at work. He came to me asking questions about god, satan, ghosts, even aliens. I simply answered them. While the conversation was taking place every other employee including management got involved and started asking me questions. Mind you, I live in the bible belt. For someone to say the things I am saying is unheard of.

He was not the only one to try to "stump the Atheist." The others asked questions as well. After the conversation was over two people had changed their minds! YAY ATHEISM!! I think about 8 have really strong doubts about their religion but aren't ready to take that leap. But the one guy just walked off quietly. Didn't say a word about it the rest of the day. He talked to me like normal for the rest of the work day.

When we got off he waited for me in the parking lot. He approached me and asked if I thought it was funny to bring his coworkers to hell with me. I was about to respond when he swung at me. I was trained by the military so the altercation didn't last long. I called an ambulance to come pick him up and stayed to speak to the police department. Now I'm going to court. WTF?!?!?!? lol Oh well, I live by a saying I learned in the Army. Stand for something or fall for anything.

The Update for easier reading.....



Ok so here's what happened. I know I kinda spoiled it but, I knew a lot of you where on the edge of you seat trying wanting to know how the courts would deal with it. Basically the judge told him "EVEN THOUGH this man doesn't believe in Christ he was able to act with more morality than you are even capable of understanding. You are a menace and uncontrollable. Your actions have put a bad name not only on yourself but, on all people who believe as you do. You ought to be ashamed and I hope when you go to your probation violation hearing the state picks this case up and runs with it to the fullest extent of the law."

You like that? "EVEN THOUGH"?? As if we are incapable of being moral by the "Christian" standard. In my opinion he acted better than Christians did during the Inquisition. He addressed me "Mr. 'A' (I don't wanna use my real last name) I apologize for this inconvenience and the court will not take any more of your time. You are free to leave unless you have anything to add?" So I calmly said "Your honor, the only thing that I would ask is that you put yourself in his position. The man lost his job, the use of his arm, his pride, and now quite possibly his freedom. I understand he broke the law...however I broke his arm. I know this is not a carnal society as in the days of the Inquisition (yes I said it) but I feel like he has had his punishment. The only thing I would like to stress to this court is that we Atheists DO have morality however, to our advantage, it's NOT God given. Therefore we can and DO alter it to fit the situation. This man only acted as every Christian in the past acted when their beliefs where put through the scrutiny of science. I don't fault him. I fault society. That is all I have to say."

At this, the judge recommended some ridiculously large amount of community service and that he write a formal apology which I declined to accept. I signed a form before I left the court that said he apologized and left it at that.

Now Bring on the Church debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The later update.....


First and foremost I wanna thank EVERYONE for the support. You guys are still AMAZING!!!!!!!

I spoke with the pastor today. He claims that it's just standard b.s. He said that we wants an open format and to allow audience questions. I asked him what kind of "standard" b.s. he was referring to. His response was "oh, you know things like no cussing and the like." I told him we could just go on good faith that I would refrain from things like that to which he said "I thought Atheists had NO faith?" Good point. He laughed and I told him that he would have to make sure to give me this arrangement no later than Wednesday seeing as he wants me at church on Sunday. He agreed that he would have it done earlier than that. I asked him who I would be debating and he said that he had MANY volunteers but, was "told by God" he should be the one to do it......the phrase "Why hast thou forsaken me?" came to mind but, I resisted the urge.

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HAHAHA the f word!

that's funny. for a sec I was like... how the fuck does a soldier not like the word fuck?
Oh, yeah. Faith is a much dirtier word than fuck. For one thing, faith has caused a lot more problems than fucking. Which is sort of amazing, when you think about it.
In regards to taping the sermon, many churches do so in order to allow those who are sick, disabled, or on vacation to view the sermon. My grandmother went to church for many years and when she developed Parkinson's, she felt she was no longer physically capable of attending. One of the members of the church brought her a DVD of the sermon each week, without any charge.

Of course, they do this so that those who don't or can't attend will still contribute money to the church. Some even stream their services online or broadcast them on local TV.
Any mysteriously come up missing?
Just thought I share this.

I got mistaken for a Christian today.

I know, I know.

I posted this link on my facebook profile under the title "WTF??"
and appended a comment "no really WTF??"

and I get back from college and find a message in my inbox inviting me to join a christian collective group. :-/

I emailed the creator (of the group - ;-)) politely declining and signing off with a parting shot about not being able to bring myself to believe in anything so palpably absurd.
That sir....is some funny shit!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!
Well isn't that special...The evidence dissipates like a fart in a fan factory.
Pathetic lot,aren't they...Anyway,you did very well and I'm pleased you stood your ground and gave it to them good.
Always do and always will. I love this stuff!
it's all ready over. I'll update the topic again. Sorry
Ok, I would applaud my favorite bits of yours James point-by-point but I fear this thread is already several miles long. If I had to pick a highlight; I'm glad you kept redirecting the conversation back to the Christian god and Christian bible.

You're right; one of, if not THE, most-used tactics in such debates is diversion. "Ooh, look at these other dozen points while I dodge the one big question you asked me."

It sounds like you were polite but firm. Respectful as one can be when surround by those defending belief in The Tooth Fairy unicorns Santa invisible friends in the sky.

More kudos man!
Just an aside. I may need to clean my glasses.

I read that as.

"If I had to pick a highlight; I'm glad you kept redirecting the conversation back to the Christian god and Christian Bale."

and I thought: "What has Batman got to do with this?"
lol it says bible richard

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