I know this might not come as a shock to many here but, I thought I would share it anyway. I have been operating as an Atheist with the understanding that ALL people have the ability to drop the shackles of their belief system. I thought they where just misguided. I felt if a person was provided enough evidence to totally dismantle their belief in a positive discussion with NO aggression they would drop it and start thinking for themselves. Well.....I was wrong.

I actually have a court date now because of it. The guy actually tried to beat me up after I proved him wrong on every point he tried to make and he was unable to answer even ONE of my questions. They funny thing is that it was almost 4 hours later when he attempted to assault me. I'm not mad at the guy I just really don't understand.

I didn't even ask for the debate. I was at work. He came to me asking questions about god, satan, ghosts, even aliens. I simply answered them. While the conversation was taking place every other employee including management got involved and started asking me questions. Mind you, I live in the bible belt. For someone to say the things I am saying is unheard of.

He was not the only one to try to "stump the Atheist." The others asked questions as well. After the conversation was over two people had changed their minds! YAY ATHEISM!! I think about 8 have really strong doubts about their religion but aren't ready to take that leap. But the one guy just walked off quietly. Didn't say a word about it the rest of the day. He talked to me like normal for the rest of the work day.

When we got off he waited for me in the parking lot. He approached me and asked if I thought it was funny to bring his coworkers to hell with me. I was about to respond when he swung at me. I was trained by the military so the altercation didn't last long. I called an ambulance to come pick him up and stayed to speak to the police department. Now I'm going to court. WTF?!?!?!? lol Oh well, I live by a saying I learned in the Army. Stand for something or fall for anything.

The Update for easier reading.....

Ok so here's what happened. I know I kinda spoiled it but, I knew a lot of you where on the edge of you seat trying wanting to know how the courts would deal with it. Basically the judge told him "EVEN THOUGH this man doesn't believe in Christ he was able to act with more morality than you are even capable of understanding. You are a menace and uncontrollable. Your actions have put a bad name not only on yourself but, on all people who believe as you do. You ought to be ashamed and I hope when you go to your probation violation hearing the state picks this case up and runs with it to the fullest extent of the law."

You like that? "EVEN THOUGH"?? As if we are incapable of being moral by the "Christian" standard. In my opinion he acted better than Christians did during the Inquisition. He addressed me "Mr. 'A' (I don't wanna use my real last name) I apologize for this inconvenience and the court will not take any more of your time. You are free to leave unless you have anything to add?" So I calmly said "Your honor, the only thing that I would ask is that you put yourself in his position. The man lost his job, the use of his arm, his pride, and now quite possibly his freedom. I understand he broke the law...however I broke his arm. I know this is not a carnal society as in the days of the Inquisition (yes I said it) but I feel like he has had his punishment. The only thing I would like to stress to this court is that we Atheists DO have morality however, to our advantage, it's NOT God given. Therefore we can and DO alter it to fit the situation. This man only acted as every Christian in the past acted when their beliefs where put through the scrutiny of science. I don't fault him. I fault society. That is all I have to say."

At this, the judge recommended some ridiculously large amount of community service and that he write a formal apology which I declined to accept. I signed a form before I left the court that said he apologized and left it at that.

Now Bring on the Church debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The later update.....

First and foremost I wanna thank EVERYONE for the support. You guys are still AMAZING!!!!!!!

I spoke with the pastor today. He claims that it's just standard b.s. He said that we wants an open format and to allow audience questions. I asked him what kind of "standard" b.s. he was referring to. His response was "oh, you know things like no cussing and the like." I told him we could just go on good faith that I would refrain from things like that to which he said "I thought Atheists had NO faith?" Good point. He laughed and I told him that he would have to make sure to give me this arrangement no later than Wednesday seeing as he wants me at church on Sunday. He agreed that he would have it done earlier than that. I asked him who I would be debating and he said that he had MANY volunteers but, was "told by God" he should be the one to do it......the phrase "Why hast thou forsaken me?" came to mind but, I resisted the urge.

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Boy he's got some big shoes to fill huh?

Yes I totally agree with that. But I think this is a bigger find than the science community as a whole is not broadcasting. I mean it went from the sun is NOT the only sun....theists denied that....then the Earth is round.....theists denied that....then evolution....theists denied that....now the no soul argument....this should be shouted off roof tops!!!
and how. Also he's a mathematician not a scientist, which raised a few eyebrows, but he seems to be doing okay so far, just don't expect any books called "The God Delusion" out of him. ;-)

Oh I agree, the value of religion is highly questionable.

I'm in a class at the moment where there's some fluffy logic going on, and I'll challenge it first opportunity I get.
lol give um hell!!!!!!!!!!
We've had a class already were the topic of an afterlife came up. no chance to really get into it (it was a presentation) we were sorting questions science has, may and could never answer: I made clear my pov that on issues of the existence of an afterlife/soul and scientific claims for god (like he created all the plants and animals) the evidence is in, not he didn't and no they don't.

I think we might even have a module coming up on evolution and design.

In the words of Hannibal Lecter: "Goodie, goodie."
eat um up
Ebon Musings is a GREAT site.
Sorry I slept late! lol
I'm a fairly small guy (145 lbs) but I studied Tae Kwon Do for about six years, and have a second degree black belt hanging in my closet.

If someone took a swing at me I'd probably end up just blocking it and then going apeshit on their chest. I'm mainly scared about getting startled, because I WILL end up hurting someone.

What happens, happens James, it takes a disciplined mind to handle this the way you have.
Thank you. I'm only 160 and the guy was gargantuan compared to me. You just have to remain in control. With my military and police experience behind me I guess I can do it a little easier than most but, remember, most big guys DON'T fight much because they are big
I got an update but, I'm on lunch and don't have time yet. I went to court and long story short he got community service pending ANOTHER trial because apparently he was on probation for assault all ready!! I get off at 7 so I'll be writing back soon as long as everyone is still interested.
Jeez, man, already on probation. Poor impulse control, indeed. I hope he's not staring down the barrel of a three-strikes law. He was a jackass, but nobody deserves life in prison for jackassery. Aggravated jackassery, maybe.
Ah,so he basically is a hot headed bully who is of the mistaken belief might makes right.

Yeah,I'm interested.




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