These are all quotes from Barry Goldwater, former US Senator (R).  Talk about an accurate prediction!  Read these quotes.  Unfortunately, he was all too right (pun intended). 



"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republician] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them."


"There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "


"A lot of so-called conservatives don't know what the word means.  They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion.  That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right."


"If they succeed in establishing religion as a basic Republican Party tenet," he told U.S. News & World Report in 1994, "they could do us in."  In an interview with The Post that same year, Goldwater observed, "When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it.  If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."



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"The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others, unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy.  They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now.  To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."

I've learned more about Goldwater and it's pretty amazing, considering that growing up I'd always heard he was one of those guys who was the epitome of conservative. I've seen quotes of him being pro choice, supporting gays in the military (under the "none of your business" rationale) and marijuana legalization.

it's amazing isn't it?  today's GOP would call Goldwater a bleading heart liberal and a socialist.  i don't know what his religious affiliation was, but i'm guessing Jewish.  are Jews even allowed in the Republican Party today? 

What happened was our fortieth president, Ronald Wilson Reagan, and his association with the Christian Coalition. That started the whole mess, and thus far, I see no particular effort on the part of the Republican party to correct or ameliorate the unvarnished bias which resulted from that association.

I remember Barry Goldwater back in the campaign of 1964. I remember quotes from him like the following:

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

It was quotes like that and his hawkish stance among other things that gave rise to the Johnson landslide in that election, though Johnson went right ahead and escalated the war in Vietnam. Meanwhile, I think Goldwater mellowed and began to recognize the essentials of conservatism which should have been the foundation of the Republican party. The shame is that, so far as I know, he never pushed the party to think in those terms.

And now we have a GOP which I have no regard for, and honestly, I don't like that. I don't think it's healthy for them or for the country as a whole ... and I am badly disturbed by the current state of the GOP.

the current state of the GOP is pretty much exactly where Goldwater predicted.  Santorum was quoted a few years ago saying that there is no such thing as a Liberal Christian.  the GOP is for religious folllowers only. 

the current state of the GOP is pretty much exactly where Goldwater predicted.

Yeah ... and what it that some Galilean carpenter said about a prophet being without honor among his own? [sigh]

Matthew, where did you find this?  Interested in the cite.  This stuff is priceless, and I plan on sending it on to my conservative brother who is always bombarding everyone with his bullshit Republican emails.


i also found one from wiki, and a friend of mine who did a blog post on Santorum provided another. 


fascinating guy, btw.  i think HBO did a documentary on him, but i haven't found it yet. 

Thanks. Appreciate it!  Now I have some reality to throw at him.


clip from the HBO documentary "Mr. Conservative:  Goldwater on Goldwater".




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