I was watching the news the other day, about the ongoing war and terror in the middle east, which of course at its core is about religion, whose god is the only god....same as it has been forever. It is mind blowing how long human beings have been slaughtering one another in the name of one god or another. I thought, "How long will it take for humans to evolve past such illogical behavior and ideas"?

A thought occured to me... What if the god concept had never become "real" to people? What if gods and goddesses never grew to be anything more than a story told around a fire?  Hence, the topic of discussion I am proposing:

What do you think this world would be like if there had never been belief in any gods of any kind? How do you think our evolution would have been different, if at all?

I am looking forward to this conversation, everybody!

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Nice idea, TC, but I believe people would have told stories around a camp fire anyway, so the god concept was inevitable. We can only be thankful that it wasn't any worse really. Here are examples:

(1)  "Johnny Socco and his Giant Flying Jesus."

(2)  "Gunsmoke" but Jesus solves everything in every show.

(3)  "The Flying Nun" but if she was bad Jesus took away her powers.

(4)   "Modern Day Jesus" he's a secret crimefighter with 2 identities and wears glasses.

(5)   "Star Wars" where Jesus leads the fight against other gods and bad entities.

(6)   "Star Trek" a weekly series about "beam me up, Jesus" for the righteous.

I'm amazed in this day and time that with all our worldly cultures and beliefs that people cannot see through this crap. Once extremely religious myself, it makes no sense to me today that others cannot see that your religion is determined largely by where you were born. If you were born in Iran it is not likely that you are going to be Pentecostal. Saying this much alone about religious belief shows the great fallacy of religion and it dis-proves much when you apply it. American theists would extend their nonsense into my 6 TV shows above (and beyond) if they had their way.

We are not alone however. We had big religious slaughters in the Crusades. Now Islamists are rising up to try their hand at it also. It's all insanity.

  Its amazing how easily people...entire cultures..are convinced to drink the koolaid.

So do you think that if people had no deity to worship, we would worship kings? Is it human nature to ultimately want or need to be controlled and protected by a figure we see as stronger and wiser?

TC, I think it's a failure to grow up. Most of us have felt more protected when we were children.

 to be controlled and protected by a figure we see as stronger and wiser?

When you're able to pick such a figure, you're also at the point where you don't trust him...

You're probably right Free.  That's why I'm proud of the fact that I've never wanted to worship anything, even when I was a mormon.  I always wondered why god wanted to be worshiped, and I didn't really have a desire to.

Even as a young man training for the ministry I always wondered why god wanted to be worshiped, why we had to worship him, and why humans had some great desire to worship anything? At the time I looked at the god concept more as an explanation of all things and later in life found this to be false.

You bet!

In my day, it was Frank Sinatra that girls swooned over. 

 If there had never been belief in any gods of any kind, I think by now we would have learned how to get along with each other.

Scientific methods would have developed much earlier.  Humans would have had the medical knowledge and technology we have today, maybe 50,000 years ago.

By now, we would have conquered all disease and mental illness, our bodies would be nearly indestructible, we would have modified our brains so they were 10,000 times more powerful and have backups stored in many safe places.  

We would have explored a third of the galaxy and populated many other planets.  We would have discovered how self-replicating organisms started, and would have created many new life-forms.

We would be doing many new and exciting things that I can't even think of.

Primitive humans attributed fearsome natural phenomena to gods. Earthquakes, lightning, thunder, volcanoes, etc. all understandably scared the shit out of people, so these fear motivated beliefs were reasonable to some degree. Now we have knowledge of the actual causes of these things, yet sadly the world is still saturated with primitive thinking humans who perpetuate the god myth, and the greedy, immoral charlatans who prey on them.

My thoughts exactly. Keyword there is greed, and I believe greed will  be the factor that will lead to human extinction




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