"Defunding the police means shrinking the scope of police responsibilities and shifting most of what government does to keep us safe to entities that are better equipped to meet that need.”

Christy E. Lopez, a Georgetown Law professor  and co-director of the school’s Innovative Policing Program

"I've been saying we have an economy of punishment over an economy of care."

Patrisse Cullors, a co-founder of the Black Lives Matter movement

What does 'defund the police' mean and why some say 'reform' is not...

From my perspective, Defund the Police advocates are promoting a Partnership approach to public safety to replace the Dominator approach we have now.

On CNN one activist said that only 5% of what police do is related to violent crime. More than half of arrests are about weed. In case of mental health emergencies, it would be better to have mental health specialists show up rather than someone carrying a gun.

Cities Ask if It’s Time to Defund Police and ‘Reimagine’ Public Safety

"One model that members of the Minneapolis City Council cite is Cahoots, a nonprofit mobile crisis intervention program that has handled mental health calls in Eugene, Ore., since 1989. Cahoots employees responded to more than 24,000 calls for service last year — about 20 percent of the area’s 911 calls — on a budget of about $2 million, probably far less than what it would cost the Police Department to do the work, said Tim Black, the program’s operations coordinator."

Defund the Police activists claim that reforms have failed.

Many in Minneapolis have said that Mr. Floyd’s death provided a stark illustration of how far efforts to institute reforms in the wake of the 2015 police shooting of Jamar Clark, a 24-year-old African-American man, had fallen short.

After that shooting, police officers received implicit bias training and body cameras. The department appointed its first black police chief. Community policing was emphasized. Policies were rewritten to include a “duty to intervene” if an officer saw a colleague endangering a member of the public — a policy that was key to the swift firing and arrest of the four officers involved in Mr. Floyd’s death.

But none of those reforms were sufficient to prevent Mr. Floyd’s death.

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In 2015, Minneapolis was one of six cities selected by Barack Obama’s Department of Justice to pilot a new kind of policing. Said to be grounded in rigorous social science research, the new initiative aimed “to build trust” between the police and the community being policed. The Minneapolis Police Department would undergo implicit bias training, wear body cameras, and practice mindfulness and “racial reconciliation” as part of a three-year, $4.75 million project tied to Obama’s “My Brother’s Keeper” campaign. The national reform program was described by then–Attorney General Eric Holder as “groundbreaking.”

Alex S. Vitale, a sociologist at Brooklyn College and the author of The End of Policing, told me (on the day that Chauvin was arrested and charged with third-degree murder for Floyd’s death) that milquetoast, technocratic reforms are a dead end. The only leverage left, he pointed out, is to cut police budgets and shrink police power. 

“The reality is that the police exist primarily as a system for managing and even producing inequality by suppressing social movements and tightly managing the behaviors of poor and nonwhite people,” he writes in The End of Policing. Those who bear the brunt of police use of force, he continues, are “those on the losing end of economic and political arrangements.” 

So, instead of questioning why we’re using police to wage a war on drugs, they [the current reforms] respectfully ask the narcotics units to take anti-bias training. It completely ignores the fact that the War on Drugs is an inherently racist legal program designed by politicians to meet a racist political agenda. And they just have nothing to say about that. So procedural justice is the reigning theory, yet it’s morally and intellectually and scientifically bankrupt. What they never measure are the number of arrests, the amount of police use of force, the justness of the arrests that are made, the ethics of why we’re using police to manage homelessness and mental health problems or wage a war on drugs. [emphasis mine]

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Above link says The End of Policing is available free.

I wish people that are against the "defund the police" movement would take time to research the meaning. Right now they are saying stuff like who will you call when someone breaks into your home to make people afraid of the change and to keep the black and brown community from seeing real change.

Shifting policing to whom? 

That is a government responsibility. Reform the bejesus out of police but don't eliminate the police. Stop bigots/racists and authoritarian personality types from becoming cops. Those tendencies will only increase once they have power. 

No doubt the drug policy of the USA has been destructive and moronic and in its execution discriminates against minorities. That all needs to change. 

But i want to point out that the suppression of reality is not a good move. Cops are not killing more blacks than whites. The stats simply do not bear out the narrative of the BLM and left. Cops are however abusing and terrorizing blacks to a greater degree than whites. Little tip from your uncle larry.

While the absolute numbers of whites killed by police is higher than of blacks or Hispanics in the US, "An examination of data from 1960 to 2010 also indicated consistently higher rates among black men compared with white men, with rate ratios ranging from 2.6 to 10.1.3"

Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement

During the protests, one speaker said that being killed by police was the 6th highest cause of death among black men in Milwaukee. But when I look it up, police homicide is obscured in the general category of homicide. Or another article mentioned 86 justifiable homicides of black men in Milwaukee. Unless you are a member of that target population, you may not be aware of the extent to which being killed by police looms as a tangible daily threat.

Without that understanding, one does not grasp why a US citizen, detained for standing along a road, talking cooperatively with one policeman, would startle upon seeing two others running up behind him full tilt. I just saw an interview about such a case where the quiet cooperative man, having handed over his ID, was body slammed to the ground by the three police, who badly broke his wrist. After, when they realized he wasn't the man for whom they had a misdemeanor warrant, they offered to drive his to the hospital. He declined to get into the police car. He mentioned in his CNN interview that he'd had thoughts about being "disappeared" when he saw them running up behind his back. Can you put yourself into the shoes of that man? Probably not if you're white. You'd say, "Why didn't he accept their offer to drive him to the hospital?" You don't walk around every day expecting to be killed for no reason by police.

I appreciate you having a source but it covers only 17 states and the years 2009 to 2012.  I have no source other than a podcast i heard by Sam Harris who fleshed out statistics that were far more comprehensive and he says that even allowing for proportions there are a greater number of whites than blacks murdered by cops. I agree there are certain cities which have drawn super racist cops. Harris is a man of integrity and intelligence. I doubt he is lying or misinterpreting. He also said he could have interviewed blacks who had done research and been similarly surprised by the data. 

And if you are addressing me in indicating i probably would not understand then you are mistaken. I am high in empathy and have had several black gfs so i have seen it first hand. But even if i never had contact with any blacks it would not impact my understanding. I could tell ya lots of stories about racism and cops. 




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