Thoughtful comments, Gliktch, amusing yet disturbing examples. Your last para is all I can hope for too. People do get very defensive and say the darndest things, but the truth has a way of getting under their skin after later reflection, so keep on punchin'.
that he has the "right to do so, because he gave us life and he can take it away, it's a gift and it is his right to kill us if he wants"...
Yeah, he also had the option to make us perfect so that he wouldn't have to punish us so brutally whenever we do something he doesn't approve of (it seems he created us only to punish us). When you respond with that they always say, "It's the way he tests our faith." Why the hell would he need to test our faith when he already knows how we're going to respond to the test? It's beyond me how believers don't see this on their own.
I truly think that born agains do suffer a 'brain sprain' of sorts. The same kind as people who see ghosts, aliens etc... Our brains do break down from time to time. I've had a few experiences that I attribute to brain malfunctions that might have toppled a fence sitter into the religious dung field, or woo woo pasture.
Well in the process of breaking up with me my ex told me that i dont have a choice in becoming a christian cause she is going to keep praying for me and that because she is going to keep praying for me i will become a christian whether i like it or not. oh and also that if she ever stops praying for me i would definitetly feel it.
The other day I was talking to an old friend and she was telling me "you know Diaddy when rapture comes, dont you want your kids to go to heaven?' My son (who is 9) came out of the room and told her "woman dont you know I dont believe in god? dont worry I'll wave to you from here if it happens your weirdo!"