One told me she loved Jesus more than her husband, anything or anyone alive.

 I told her i found that very sad and disturbing.
She's no longer writing to me.

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Last year was my last semester at Georgia Perimeter College (really a post-High School). One of my classes was World History. It was taught by a Presbyterian Minister, who was also a Young-Earth Creationist, but luckily he taught from a historical, factual perspective and not a religious one (only once he brought up Creationism, but the age we were studying was from "the beginning" [not in a religious sense] to 1500 BC) and he did NOT talk about Adam and Eve, but rather about man's evolutionary origins in Africa... which is why I was shocked to later find out he was a YEC).

Anyways, there was another YEC in the class; a student. Most of us in the class were Agnostics/Atheists/Moderate Theists who really just wanted a passing grade. We talked sometimes, and this kid would join us, but it wasn't until half-way through the semester that this happened:

He and I got into an argument about Evolution and such... and it ended with him saying this:
"Whatever. We'll see who's right the day the darkness comes, and it's coming soon!"
Then he walked out.

Even our teacher started laughing.
"Fear of the Lord is the Beginning of Wisdom"

This was my school motto and was drilled into my head every morning during chapel time for 12 years!
hey! A slight alteration in thatv would make a great t shirt:'Fear of the lord is the end of wisdom."
I think I'd prefer, "Fear of the lord is the end of reason." After all, theists wouldn't be able to dispute that.
Well...this guy told me if he was on life support he would not trust an atheist nurse, because what's to stop her from pulling the plug...
I'm being petitioned by a small conclave of Muslims at college about whether I've given up my atheism yet.

I've asked an ex-muslim atheist friend of mine about that, and he wasn't shocked. He said Muslims in particular are inculcated from the word go, that any belief different from Islam is a kind of childish delusion, almost a whimsy, because Islam was revealed to the Prophet and is absolutely correct. (oh you can write the rest yourself).... they demonstrate the most simplistic creationism, a profound ignorance of science like evolution (which is bitterly ironic as this is a science course I'm on..) and a kind of racist-pride where Muslim scholars are held in high regard (12th century) Which is kind of true, a lot of number theory, early scientific study and the transmission of the Greek we owe to Muslim scholars, but this is seen by them as kind of a high point of self-justifying thing, of course it was Muslim scholars who did this, everything else since has been... a distraction.

Happily, I can give as good as I get in these exchanges.
One once tried to justify belief on the grounds that when bad things hapen you need something to rely on. I pointed out "feeling good about X and X being true are not logically identical. I can for instance believe the lion is a vegetarian. There I feel better about the bad thing that is about to happen. My belief is not true but I still feel better."

" ..yeah..I"

Later it turned out bad things (including lions) happen becuase God wants to test us to make us morally pure. I halted the conversation to point out the contradiction -

"So wait I should worship someone who makes bad things happen to me on purpose? That's not love - that's abuse! I will not worship a wicked god!"

" ..yeah..I"

It's pitiful.
Ocassionally in debates you get this variations on this canard:

If I didn't believe in god I'd be out whoring and raping committing adultery with boys, girls animals you name it. My belief in god is all that's keeping the wolf from the door!

A favourite response I save for such special moments is:

"I see" (backing away slowly) "and when did you first realise you were a sociopath?" (heading for the exit) "Is this something that has come on suddenly or have you always felt this way? (and flee!!!)
This is Fantastic!
Must use!
Evolution really peed in every religion's pool, didn't it! No wonder they hate science so much.
Every religion that includes a creator is threatened by evolution, but Christianity is especially threatened. I once read an interview with a creationist (he actually ran a creationist museum). He said he can't believe in evolution, because if evolution is true, then Adam and Eve didn't exist as such. If they didn't exist, then they didn't eat the forbidden fruit and get kicked out of the Garden of Eden. If there was no fall from grace, there was no Original Sin. And then Christ's sacrifice is meaningless.

I can't fault the guy's logic. Evolution directly contradicts the central tenet of Christianity. I guess it's just too bad for him that evolution is real.
Amazing ... he can see the dominoes falling ... but he hasn't the guts to realize that the first one has already been pushed!
Evolution really peed in every religion's pool, didn't it!

Marc, you just made my evening!



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