I don't understand the problem with the death penalty. I look at it as simply euthanasia of a subset unfit to live in society due to a clear danger. Dogs that present a danger are 'put down', why not humans? I fully understand the slippery slope nature of this attitude, I understand the impact of systemic racism, and regional politics. That is reason for the appeal process and far more than a dangerous animal gets. To me it isn't about revenge, it's about the relative security of the rest of society. I don't even care if they are so-called mentally ill. Psychology is akin to voo-doo and until the brain can be fully understood and effectively diagnosed it remains no excuse. Do we save dogs made vicious with rabies? Personally, I think the brain-washing of religion and systemic narcissism has placed humans on an artificial pedestal.
Maybe if the death penalty was applied to crimes where they arent often the result of a disadvantaged upbringing, or a moment of imflamed passion as many murders are then it would actually be effective as a deterrent.
Imagine if the corrupt shameless corporate sharks which caused the GFC had the death penalty hanging over thier heads instead of the hand slap they have gotten. Do you think the untold hardship and suffering the collapse of the economic systems around the world has caused might have been avoided if that was the sort of penalty these guys have faced?
it just seems to me that the people the death penalty affects are the least likely to be the ones who would think about it as a detterent before they commit the crime.
If we excuse every person for any circumstance outside of their control, no one would ever be convicted. That whole argument can only be believed in by the ignorant.
The punitive justice system does work. Our entire society is a punitive justice system. Human morals are the product of brainwashing as children. Time out, spanking, no allowance. All our morals are instilled in us by fear of punishment. Internalization of morals is when we accept that we have a very high chance of punishment if we commit a specific crime, and then cognitive dissonance causing us to "believe" that things are wrong because we can't accept that we have no control over our lives. Have you ever seen a kid who gets whatever they want always with no consequences? No morals. The punitive justice system is massively effective. There are also lots of people who don't commit crimes for fear of the cops and courts alone. That is called understanding consequences. The people who still commit crimes have other pressures on them that outweigh the punitive justice system. Racism, poverty, tyranny, deviations from the ideal of personality, sanity, and character, trauma, and many other things. Some simply fear consequences less based on their experience, and some are just more capable of getting away with things, while others are very entitled based on privilege like wealth, being male, being white, being christian, or one of the other dozen kinds of privilege. People who claim that punitive justice is useless are unable to view the world as it actually is, or are brainwashed by certain kinds of progressive or liberal thought.
Are there other things we can do IN ADDITION TO the punitive just system? Yes. Chip away at privilege, stop putting people in jail for marijuana possession, lower legal ages for alcohol. But claiming that punitive strategies are ineffective? No.