Without death penalty, prisons would be overloaded. Criminals would be released to make room for new criminals and many of these criminals who were sentenced for life for murdering or raping someone would be roaming the streets where you live. lots of tax money is wasted on these criminals, people who plan to murder would have nothing to fear since they are guaranteed they won't get any harsh punishment and that would increase the crime rate. And the planet is already over populated, so why not get rid of the rotten apples?

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Reparations or restitution are intended to compensate the victim for harm done. Killing the killer does nothing for the first one killed, nor does it give anything back to those who lost a loved one. The ones who are most likely to suffer lasting harm from the death penalty are the loved ones of the executed, who have not been found guilty of anything. The main beneficiaries are prosecutors who get judicial appointments or run for political office based on their conviction records.
This really isn't about affirmative action: in fact, I believe that AA is a slap in the face of any minority. It says that they are not intelligent or talented enough to compete. Much of "liberal" engineering appears to be based in hidden racism.

Your decision to abandon any feeling for the circumstances of others is your option of course, but it does put you in the same situation of being abandoned by others.
I looked back in the thread and couldn't find anyone who had mentioned affirmative action, but since you brought it up -- affirmative action is appropriate as restorative justice. When individuals or classes are put at a disadvantage by the unjust acts of others, justice demands that the playing field be adjusted to undo the effects of the wrong. To give a very simplistic analogy: I inherit $100 million from my father and it is later revealed that my father stole the money that he invested to grow that fortune. I am not to blame for my father's actions, nor did he steal the entire $100 million, but if the persons from which he stole the seed money had had the use of it, the fortune would have been theirs, so they are entitled not only to what he stole, but to any profit he made from it. If the victims are deceased, then the right passes to their heirs. I have no legitimate ground to complain if that fortune is taken from me and given to the rightful owners, who may be the heirs of the original victims.

I don't understand the problem with the death penalty.  I look at it as simply euthanasia of a subset unfit to live in society due to a clear danger.  Dogs that present a danger are 'put down', why not humans?  I fully understand the slippery slope nature of this attitude, I understand the impact of systemic racism, and regional politics.  That is reason for the appeal process and far more than a dangerous animal gets.  To me it isn't about revenge, it's about the relative security of the rest of society.  I don't even care if they are so-called mentally ill.  Psychology is akin to voo-doo and until the brain can be fully understood and effectively diagnosed it remains no excuse.  Do we save dogs made vicious with rabies?  Personally, I think the brain-washing of religion and systemic narcissism has placed humans on an artificial pedestal. 


You are very wrong about psychology. There's evolutionary psychology and mental disorders are real, research psychopathy, I knew a psychopath before, there are things he couldn't control like lying and being untrustworthy.
I'm sure I am wrong on many things, but you misunderstand my statement. I take no issue with neurology and psychiatry, I also take no issue with psychology in developing theory and behavioral analysis, what I am saying is that their is no exact science to formulate diagnosis, therefore treatment is by trial and error, observation and speculation. There is an exact scientific way to diagnose rabies, so what excuses the psychopathic human and not the rabid animal? Is the excuse that humans might be in error? Is the 'not being in control' the excuse? Well, then control must be our ultimate goal as humans? Well, by golly, religion controls now doesn't it? One must be careful in eschewing a falsehood called religion that one doesn't take up the same thing by another name. My position on the death penalty stands - if a human has presented a deadly danger to other humans it should be 'put down' like any other animal after the appeal process concludes due process.

Maybe if the death penalty was applied to crimes where they arent often the result of a disadvantaged upbringing, or a moment of imflamed passion as many murders are then it would actually be effective as a deterrent.


Imagine if the corrupt shameless corporate sharks which caused the GFC had the death penalty hanging over thier heads instead of the hand slap they have gotten. Do you think the untold hardship and suffering the collapse of the economic systems around the world has caused might have been avoided if that was the sort of penalty these guys have faced?


it just seems to me that the people the death penalty affects are the least likely to be the ones who would think about it as a detterent before they commit the crime.



So, maybe I am weird, but I do not think the government has the right to kill its own citizens. That seems like a reasonable rule. An individual police officer may shoot a suspect during the commission of a crime or during an escape attempt or most understandably, in self defense. That is sad but does not really give execution power to a large bureaucratic system like the justice system.

Lock them in a phone for years like at Guantanamo Bay but why put them out of their misery?

I have always said that to execute an atheist is to simply end them. No real punishment there after the death. If one believes in Hell, life imprisonment allows for punishment to last for eternity plus the life sentence. Execution alone only allows for Hell. Life in prison is additional. Seems as punishment prison is always worse.

Maybe having tons and tons of violent criminals we need to house would get some of the non-violent offenders off the government doll and some idiot caught with a dime bag of weed is off my tax dollar.

Plus, regarding deterrence, the murder rate is lower in states that don't have the death penalty.




Violence begets violence. Look at Detroit vs. that place in Canada over the river.
I don't want you on a jury of my peers.
Nor mine.




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