Without death penalty, prisons would be overloaded. Criminals would be released to make room for new criminals and many of these criminals who were sentenced for life for murdering or raping someone would be roaming the streets where you live. lots of tax money is wasted on these criminals, people who plan to murder would have nothing to fear since they are guaranteed they won't get any harsh punishment and that would increase the crime rate. And the planet is already over populated, so why not get rid of the rotten apples?

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Do you consider the army that kills the enemy, double standard as well?
"Killing is wrong...except here"

Unfortunately there always will be instances where killing will happen. Death penalty and war are two examples, but there are also the examples of self-defense, accidents, euthanasia and abortion. And the killing of other species for food, experiments, to put their heads on walls, or because someone can make money developing on their habitat.
People misunderstood me, I support death penalty if the murder is on purpose/planned.

if there is 100% proof who's the murderer is, not 99.99% proof, 100% proof.

and it really does scare heartless people.
I understood you well enough to not even touch that. I'm from Texas where we have the highest rate of executions in the U.S. We do NOT have the lowest crime/murder rates. It doesn't deter people because, as I already said, it is not immediate. It takes years for the appeals processes to go through before the person can be executed. It is not a deterrent. It does not scare heartless people. The only deterrent is when there are immediate consequences to your actions.

My internship as a senior at a university was with a group studying the effects of the death penalty on the community, both through research and (mainly) oral history compilation. I also did my capstone paper (undergraduate thesis) on how effective future dangerousness is as a determinant of who receives the death penalty.
Consideration of the death penalty is not usually registering in the mind of a robber that the victim attacks and the robber kills, and that's 1st degree murder. The driver of a getaway car of a robbery in which a murder occurs but the driver is unaware of the driver is still charged with 1st degree murder.
About the only murderer that might consider the consequences are premeditated murders. For the others the possibility of the death penalty is not much of a deterrent.
For those reasons and the real possibility of an innocent person being executed I can't support the death penalty with the possible exception of mass murders - Tim McVeigh for instance.
Its hard not to want revenge when you have been wronged. When you are attacked or robbed you feel violated and insecure. I, for one, know that makes me want to strike out against my offender. In certain instances this response is correct, in others not. I know that the "eye for an eye" is older than the Bible. I'm sure it came about because people wanted reparations to be equal to the loss. This is fundamental as I see it.
It is only fair to want what is lost to be replaced with something of greater or equal value. Now we come to the problem of a death being of equal value to the life lost. As all things not with a set material value are worth more or less to different people I don't see this as possible. How do you decide what a life is worth? Is a child worth more than a old person? What if more than one life is lost to the same hands?
Now we can blanket statement and say a life is worth a life no matter the age or any other variable of the victim. Would that be acceptable to all?
So is the death penalty fair? If you can prove 100% the guilt of the offender then I say go for it. If not and there is still almost no doubt then make them do hard labor or something. People with life sentence don't need to be kept idle and separated. People that do inhuman things to others quiet possibly shouldn't be treated kindly.
Now there are different kinds of offenders. As stated some people have mental defects. I do believe the term is criminally insane. You can't punish someone for an imbalance they have no control over. You also can't allow them to run around if they can't be treated.
I don't buy into the whole "genetically" predisposed to crime. Thats just silly. I do agree that many people have had a bad upbringing. That is more of a problem with schooling and proper interaction with other people. So basically a problem with society. Lets just say that people are full of problems, all of us included.
I guess I don't have a problem with it in the long run. That is as long as it isn't the drawn out slow process we have today. That may be hard to do with the checks and balances currently in place. Also with out a guaranteed way of proving guilt that will most likely never happen. Unless we accept our flaws and just roll with it. You can comment on that last sentence as you see fit.
Scott, the idea that,

"I'm sure it came about because people wanted reparations to be equal to the loss. This is fundamental as I see it.
It is only fair to want what is lost to be replaced with something of greater or equal value."

doesn't make sense unless you see the taking of a life as giving something back to the grieving party. But the loss can't be recovered, so it's just the base human reaction of vengeance, which we should be able to rise above in our enlightened time. Or are we still back in the iron age?

The trouble as I see it is that we are still operating on that level, rather than accepting a societal responsibility for the disfunction of the perpetrator. Look at any serious offender and you'll see a background that you would never want to experience yourself. We need to change the culture to diminish the reasons for violent offences.
i think if you plead guilty for premeditated murder , should be automatic death penalty. I don't care about killers and rapists.
People plead guilty to receive lighter sentences. If it's an automatic death penalty, no one is going to confess. That would be a lot more court time needed, which they really don't have. That's why plea bargains are so popular. It's less money and less time.
Well, taxes is strange :P. many murderers confess here or even turn themselves in to the police even though they know they will lose their heads, the reason why, they feel guilty and wish forgiveness from God so they hope he forgive them when they confess to the police, don't Christians feel the same? I know Texas is mostly Christian, but I know many of them are very racist, like a black man might receive unjust because of his color, I always find conservatives the most hypocrites anyway.

also, believe it or not Saudi Arabia is one of the safest places, it used to be unsafe at the time of 9/11 not because of crime but because of terrorist cells, but these cells don't exist anymore and even for an American, Saudi is still one of the safest countries.
It works far differently here. People may plead out of guilt, but few of them receive the death penalty after. They usually receive life imprisonment without the chance of parole, instead. Meanwhile, they know that if they go to court, there's a good chance a jury will sentence them to death.

I can't tell you how Christians here feel about confessing to the law. I think most will settle for confessing to those who cannot report it to the law. >.X

I've heard differently for women, though. I've heard that Saudi Arabia is not a good place to be as a woman.
I was under the impression that prisons are already way overloaded, and it's mainly due to drug laws, not capital offenses.

"According to the Bureau of Prisons, as of March 2001, federal drug offenders constituted 56.3% of the total federal prison population. Between 1990 and 1999, drug offenses represented a 20% increase in the total growth of sentenced prisoners under State jurisdiction. During that same time period, drug offenders were responsible for 60.9% of the federal prison population growth"

The US has a lot of people in prison - "Compared with other countries, the United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world. As of 2006, a record 7 million people were behind bars, on probation or on parole, of which 2.2 million were incarcerated. The People's Republic of China ranks second with 1.5 million. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population."

The overwhelming majority of these prisoners are not there for murder - " There were 17,034 murders in the United States in 2006"

"In terms of federal prison, 57% of those incarcerated were sentenced for drug offenses. However, the federal prison population is a very small percentage of the massive state prison population, which also holds numerous people convicted of drug offenses. Currently, considering local jails as well, almost a million of those incarcerated are in prison for non-violent crime."

If we are really worried about reducing the cost and societal burden of excessive prison populations, I think that doing away with the prohibition of marijuana would do far more to reduce prison population size, than killing prisoners. It would also reduce the # of people killed due to illegal traffic of marijuana.

from White House report on Drug Crimes
Table 4. Drug-related homicides, 1991–1998
Year Number of homicides Percentage drug-related*
1991 21,676 6.2%
1992 22,716 5.7
1993 23,180 5.5
1994 22,084 5.6
1995 20,232 5.0
1996 15,848 4.9
1997 15,289 5.1
1998 14,088 4.8
* Drug-related homicides are those murders that occurred specifically during a narcotics felony, such as drug trafficking or manufacturing.



I think that if we just provided the ex-cons with some pot every day, they would be too happy and stoned to commit further crimes.

Im OK with continuing the death penalty, as long as we have a law in place that states if a jury and judge are found to have enacted a death penalty, and the executed prisoner is later proven innocent, then the judge and jury also need to be given the penalty of the innocent person who they had executed.

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