Correct me if i'm wrong, but in its essence, God or any deity came from religion right? So if you don't believe in religion why believe in god? The reason why i'm asking because my cousin believe that god exist (agnostic but refuses to say he is) through meditation i believe, even though he believe in zero religion.

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It's merely case of semantics... just depends on what "god" as a word means to you. Of course, xtians love throwing around Einstein quotes that employ the word "god" in such a way that one with no imagination might come to believe famous atheists might actually be theists... because, of course, how could fundies be far wrong in their own minds?
I agree with everyone here, but i guess i will looking for a different answer. For instance, if you travel back in time, and could interview the first man who started the concept of God, which religion would it be attached to? How did the Idea of a God come about, for me i think it's when people looked up in the Sky and didn't understand the things around them. God(s) have always expelled from religion correct? So if i lived in Antarctica, and never knew anything about God, but someone taught me about science and why our earth work, would it be sufficient to say i wouldn't have a religious experience? And has there been any documented time when someone did have an religious experience without knowing the concept of God? I know that's a difficult answer to say because since the dawn of time man subjected God into everything, but i think it would be interesting if someone grew up not knowing about God period, and never having experience, or better yet, having one. I guess in a sense God traveled like a verbal plague from man to man, Aztecs, Africans etc believed in other Gods until other men instilled it into them, lol my head hurts from all this thinking.
the first gods where wild animals, when humans were hunter-gatherers..
animals seemed magical.. whith sedentarism.. and agriculture men took those animal-gods and put them to live in the skyes.. now watching the skyes and explaining them became more important..

from there mithological religions.. henoteism .. monoteism .. philosophical religions...

and ultimately .... no religion
From my (admittedly less than thorough) education on the subject, I think one of the causes of the genesis of gods is psychosis. There's schizophrenia, along with a few other forms of psychosis, that can cause hallucinations, hearing voices in your head, and other experiences of 'god'. There are also psychedelic drugs, some of them found in nature, that can have the same effect. The creation of the actual deity would come from stone age and bronze age man trying to explain what he (or she) experienced.
Hang on - I think we're missing a couple of fundamental points here.

First of all: 'God or any deity' does NOT 'come from religion'. Most theists' conditioned beliefs come from the organised religions they are born into, but that's not where the Gods come from. Organised religions are constructued out of ideas about God/s, creation, divine intervention etc. Gods have to come first.

Second: People always believe what they want to believe. At any stage in history, within a cultural group, people tend to believe similar things (derived from their psychological/'spiritual' needs and intellectual level), but individual, specific interpretations are always tailored to the precise needs of the individual. Think of the varying ideas within, for instance, Catholicism (depending on the believer), which is only one variant of Christianity.

Third: Given that this is a group interested in evolution, let's not forget that religion may participate in various evolutionary or quasi-evolutionary processes. For instance in the 'stabilisation' of society (a stable, unified society is more likely to survive) and, contingent upon that, in its 'improvement' (as usual, I'm thinking here of the dialectical view of morality and social progress). A great example, and one often used by Christians, is the 'golden rule'. Clearly this aided the development (for the 'better') of social conditions - apparently it was necessary to invent a whole bloody religion to codify and implement the idea. Taken as an instrument of potential progress, we have even more reasons to accept religion. The process of discarding an existing religion when it has outlived its usefulness can be messy, but has taken place innumerable times, after all (i.e. all religions apart from those still current, of which there are vast quantities).
there is no place for god or almighty in the creation and maintenance of this universe.universe is created according to laws of physics.we cant put full stop in the name of god.
no other animal except humans have so called idea of god.god idea is evolved and refined to this present state, out of human's fear and ignorance by humans.malaria was once believed to be caused by bad air, .does anyone think in that terms at presnt,.NO.because every one in this world strongly believes malaria is caused by malarial parasite.our false ideas,beliefs,myths will get definitely perished.truth and false will not sit in one chair,as truth is known ,false will go away and get perished
no other animal except humans have so called idea of god.

Err, how do you know that? Have you asked them? Maybe some animals have something analogous.
sir ,
i dont have any evidence about the idea of god in animals.we the hominids/hominins /modern humans have idea/necessity of god /idea of god since 25 to 30 thousand years only.god idea to this state evolved/refined over time.i will be happy to note if you have any evidence
Nope, no evidence of any specific animal worshiping gods. I'm just not comfortable with declaring that no animals have anything of the sort and then arguing from that presupposition. I'm in the middle, in the default position, rejecting both answers as unsupported by evidence.

There are many animals with intelligence approaching that of a human child. If some of them have something approaching abstract communication, it's possible.
I suppose if you can't accept that the universe was made by just nature then you would go and say that there must have been some higher power that started it all. The influence in usually upbringing from religion, though, despite the rejection of the religion, of course.
Believing in a god without a religion

Hey Myke, the idea of god seems to be as old as we are. I wonder if even animals have anything analogous. It think it's not only possible to believe in any sort of god without following any religion but I'd be willing to place a bet that the vast majority of humankind is made of functionally nonreligious theists. But that's just me and my background, I could be way wrong.

Take Brazil, "my" country, for instance. It's called a "catholic nation" (ick), yet the great majority of everyone I know and talk to believes in a god of some sort, personified or not, but rarely go to church and have no idea whatsoever what's the new pope's name ( some don't even know there was a "recent" change) except that he looks like a Sith Lord. They have no clue what is going on in the Vatican or how it works or why it is even there, and I'd argue that most of them don't give the tiniest, slightest fuck. None of them ever reads or have read the bible (I barely made it through myself when I was a so-called catholic lol), few have the guts to attack it, but most are quick to dismiss its relevance in a very politely non compromising way. Moreover, hell is not real to every self-entitled catholic I know. To them, that's allegoric. All the above is downright non-religious, yet they all believe in god and pray to it.


Well, with so much uncertainty out there I guess almost everyone wants cosmic backup? :P The idea of god, stripped of guilt and religion, is so so sweet to most of them because that way they don't have to deal with the fucked up aspects of existence and our own limitations as the "beautifully fucked up things" we are. Heck, not even atheists are ready to face some of that stuff. It's the give me the fuckin fake juicy stake instead of the real grub attitude. Why are you so surprised? People PAY for beautiful lies all the time. There isn't a God In a Can for sale because it's already FREE and readily available! Totally hard-questions-free. Zero suffering and pondering guaranteed! :P


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