Woo-hoo America - You Did It - And the World Thanks You!

A Reader's Digest poll of 17,000 people in 17 countries on every continent revealed that if the world could vote, there would be a landslide victory for Obama. Other polls have shown similar results.

In Australia, 90% of people said they would vote for Obama, and only 10% for McCain.
In most other countries, the vote was between 85-90% for Obama.

Unfortunately, the world didn't get to vote, but the American people showed today that they are still plugged into world opinion. The world wants a strong America - an America of which we can be proud as a global community. The world doesn't hate America - but the world fears an America which does not stand by the principles on which it was founded.

I think I can speak for many, if not most of we non-Americans tonight by saying, "American people - the world is proud of you, and the world thanks you for your wisdom!"

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As an American who voted for Obama I am so happy and proud that Americans made the right choice today in electing someone who has the potential to help America esp. in regaining our respect in the global community. We have made some major mistakes over the last 8 years and now we have to pay for that but I believe that if anyone can turn this country around that person is Barack Obama. Here's to a brighter tomorrow for America and the world!!

Remember, atheists, Obama is the candidate who promised to strengthen religion by increasing funding for federal grants to "faith-based" community services, and to make religion "the foundation of a new project of American renewal." He promises that “my Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships will also have a broader role – it will help set our national agenda.”

No atheist should celebrate this election.
Would you have preferred McCain and a theocratic Supreme Court, George? No candidate is ideal and politicians, no matter who they are, have to be pragmatic in order to get elected. Obama and McCain were the only choices. The election of Obama will diffuse hatred of America internationally by distancing the country from the Bush Administration. It also sends a clear message to the Palin supporting religious right. I was impressed that he mentioned gays in his speech. Obama must move cautiously - he has to rule for all Americans - we cannot expect miracles from him - but we can expect a damn site more than you got from Bush, or than you would have got from McCain and Palin.

If atheists (in any country) want politicians singing OUR song, WE have to politicize and show them that we can deliver them a substantial voting 'bloc'. We have to have clear agendas. We have to put our money where our mouths are. We have to support those organisations which are already lobbying on our behalf. We have to go beyond whining amongst ourselves and fighting with Christians on the internet and start using the resources we have to make a difference in the real world. Just look at Nexus - nearly 5000 members now and only 95 donations. We haven't even raised $1 per member! It's shameful! If politicians dance to the Christians' tune, we have only ourselves to blame.
Brian Moore did not make the ballot in Minnesota, but I voted for him as a write-in, since he does have electors on fil. Moore said that he would close the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives; use the Justice Department to litigate state and local governments that place religious monuments on public lands, and open government sessions with sectarian prayers; use the IRS to vigorously prosecute ministers and churches that violate their 501(c)3 tax exemption by endorsing candidates, and veto funding bills that contain grants for religious projects.

You can be sure that Obama would not support any of those positions. But I should not single out Obama – no Republican or Democratic candidate would. You say that atheists need to organize into a “substantial voting bloc.” In fact, of atheists who belong to American Atheists or the Freedom from Religion Foundation or any of the state affiliates of the Atheist Alliance, you would be hard-pressed to find any group more solidly committed to the Democratic Party. And all of these groups are consistently investing their political capital in support of gay rights and reproductive rights and science education standards and other constituencies of the Democratic coalition. But what do these groups ever do to support our core issue of church/state separation?

Organized atheists are an ignored political group because we are in the Democrats’ back pocket. They don’t have to do anything for atheists. They know that they’ve got 90% of their vote, no matter what.

Your argument about the Supreme Court is actually a pretty good one. A couple more justices like Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito can do a lot of mischief to secular government. But we are doing as much mischief ourselves by our servile devotion to a party that ignores us.

From many perspectives, the important work to be done now is not to win elections, but to build a party for which separation of church and state will be a core principle. Our greatest obstacle in this project is the Democratic Party.
wait you can donate to this site - didnt know i could- plz link - site might have bit of PR problems with donations.

and yes obama did have to buy the christian vote to win although i think he wont push religion too far or at least further than his election bribes he had to promise.
and i am glad ombama won at least the US has a leader with more than 30 IQ points in control.
If you go to the main Forum page, and look to the right, you'll see a red 'Chip In' box which was for donations. This has just expired. I'm not sure what our administrator, Brother Richard plans to do now, but I'm sure if you would like to donate, he will be happy to accept! You can contact Richard at atheistnexus@gmail.com.
Don't forget, Obama is not a super hero. His legacy will be starting us on the road to cleaning up the giant pile of fecal matter that george w. bush dumped on our country and the world. It won't be easy, nor fun and he will have to make a lot of difficult decisions that not everyone will agree with nationally and internationally. But he is definitely the best man for the job. And at least we don't have a McCain/Palin administration...their plan was jut to spread the shit around some more and then wallow in it.
Obama will be better than Bush, but that is not much of a standard. But the point is that he has no affinity to our atheist community.

Atheists will never be politically significant as long as they are the wholly owned property of the Democratic Party.
A good example that Democrats are bad “friends” of atheists happened in the North Carolina Senate race. Most of you are aware of it. The Democratic challenger, Kay Hagen, attended a fundraiser in Boston for a group called “Code Blue.” Also present at the event was Ellen Johnson, then president of American Atheists, representing the Godless Americans Political Action Committee. Republican incumbent Elizabeth Dole ran an ad claiming that Hagen was associating with atheists, ending with a photo of Hagen, and audio of Johnson’s voice saying “I don’t believe in God.”

Dole’s ad was misleading, and Hagen reportedly intends to sue. But in her response, Hagen took excessive offense at having her Christianity questioned, because it guides her life. Hearing Hagen, you would think that atheism is comparable to murder and treason.

Hagen got elected. And, being a Democrat, I’ll bet that most of the organized atheists in North Carolina voted for her. We should not be rewarding political factions that revile us.
George, as important as atheism is, it is not the ONLY issue that is important in this election. We are atheists, but as global citizens we must have a wider focus. That, in my opinion, must be reflected in our political affiliations. My questions are how will the candidate and his party address major issues like the economy, global warming, international relations, defense, health, industrial relations, etc? Will the candidate command the respect of the global community? Is the candidate likely to represent the people, or are they working for vested interests? And, importantly, has the candidate got a hope in hell of getting elected, or am I throwing my vote away on an idealistic candidate who meets my narrow set of interests, but has no appeal to the wider community?

Atheists have a lot of work to do, but starting our own single interest parties, or trying to get up candidates outside of the major political parties is futile. We have to sway the major parties - as hard as that may seem. Politics is a game about numbers and money. Unless atheists can show they have the numbers to make a difference to an election, and are prepared to direct money to the candidate they endorse, we will continue to be ignored.

As for Obama, as that great English philosopher, Mick Jagger once said, "You can't always get what you want and if you try sometime you get what you need."
Kristy Vensson wrote on November 5 Atheists have a lot of work to do, but starting our own single interest parties, or trying to get up candidates outside of the major political parties is futile.

funk O replied I wholeheartedly agree but it is tricky when no party actually has a platform which matches one's own views.

Have either of you looked at the other candidates? Do you know what positions they take with which you disagree?

I could never vote for a Democratic Party candidate for president because that party is existentially committed to the market economy. But there are always other parties and candidates to which I am more closely aligned. When I lived in California I always voted for every Peace and Freedom Party candidate, but since moving to Minnesota I’ve had to look at the Greens, the Socialist Party, the Labor Party (wow – what ever happened to them?) and even Socialist Workers. They know that they are not going to win elections this year, but they are conducting educational campaigns that address issues the Republicans and Democrats would never touch, like democratic reconstruction of the economy.

Republicans and Democrats are two factions of a single party, the party of capital. To them, “issues” are those administrative questions of where to spend the money government collects. The only other way that they recognize an issue is when it gains momentum after being introduced by the minor parties. I believe that Franklin Roosevelt took up the issue of Social Security 12 years after it was proposed by the Socialist Party.

There are a lot of minor parties because we are still in our political infancy. The parties of the left are divided by a lot of theoretical questions that invite diverse opinions because we don’t know any better. But on church/state separation, you will probably find them all much more palatable than the Democrats. As atheists, we owe them some respect and attention.

funk O wrote I like this quote: 'No matter who you vote for the government always gets elected.'

I always liked “Whenever you vote for Democrats or Republicans, you only encourage them.”
Out of curiosity, what do you not like about the Greens?




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