The "You ain't no Muslim" remark made by a bystander in the London subway stabbings has been a major internet sensation. Substitute "Christian" for Muslim, and we atheists would be saying it ALL the time. Hate filled rhetoric, especially aired by Republican presidential candidates, is so anti-Christian. Of course, they can't see it as such. Shameful. 

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There would not be Islamophobia without the everyday occurrence of religious violence associated with Islam.

Gerald I don't agree with that. Statistically violence in the USA is committed by christians.

Muslims are just now starting to speak out. I think that many were afraid to speak before for fear that they themselves might be targeted.

At least they can speak out HERE.  I would wonder how vocal a Muslim could afford to be even in the UK, where you have the likes of Anjem (Andy) Choudary stirring up ill feeling and not much tolerating dissent.

I thought this little bit of insight after the Charlie Hebdo killings was sufficient to tell me that "moderate Muslim" may just be oxymoronic:

Je suis encore Charlie, mutherfuckers!

Loren, moderate muslim may very well be an oxymoron. Or it may be that moderate muslims are either dead or in jail. Or,in the USA, afraid to speak out because the number one most hated group in the US is now muslim. Seems we atheists have been replaced.

I'm not singling out Muslim's k.h., I'm giving the reason for the Islamophobia. Individual Muslims are not personally responsible but collectively they are. Sympathy with people's sacred beliefs is a hangover from the days when superstition ruled the minds of everyone.  

Ha Ha, the old "No True Scotsman" Fallacy, used to belittle a self believing Muslim.

All those who believe they are Christians, but don't practice being so, which covers Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists and all those other cults practising non-Christian and even anti-Christian doctrines, such as all Pentecostal cults.

They all serve to broaden the meaning of Christian into the realm of extreme stupidity.

Yet, to say that they are not Christian or as Christian as another group, falls into that age old no true Scotsman fallacy definition.

This is why many thinking atheists don't go around taunting Christians with the fact that they don't really adhere to the Biblical ideology of Jesus Christ himself.

Though there are better ways to highlight the problems with their non or anti-Christian doctrines, such as to state clearly the doctrines they uphold that Jesus taught against or would abhor if living.

Such as the extreme idolatry of Catholicism and extension of his doctrines that Joseph Smith added for his perverse reasoning.


Though the No True Muslim Fallacy is identical, only I know less about Islam than I do about Christianity.  So, I'm certain that many Muslims don't practice the tenets laid out in the Quran, as I read the stupid book in the 70s, just after leaving Christianity in my research into religion, as well as reading the Upanishads.  But, the contents are long forgotten and good riddance to them.

It was my research into religion that sealed my move away from Christianity and assured me that my anti-theistic stance is validated.


Think a minute. There is a book that has been around for centuries. It tells you all about (insert your god's name here) and what he wants and expects, tells how you got here and how and what everything is, how everything was created,  tells what you are to do in this life and tells you all about life after death. In fact, it is this after life that is the most important. You must follow this book or bad things will happen to you.

Once you take the above approach to any religion it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it's all a big crock. Rather than disprove individual writings I now take the view that ANY such writings have to be totally absurd! This all sounds like a bad futuristic sci fi movie.

I met and know many gracious, loving, compassionate Muslims, Christian, Jews  and I suspect you have too. In my experience, these believers with such benign beliefs in an Abrahamic god that never existed in history remind me of a Sunday School version with all things good coming from their beliefs. None of the benevolent Abrahamists know about, are not interested in knowing, and not curious about the historical underpinnings of their faiths. They sound and act like grown-up children who believe in Santa Clause. 

I no longer remain silent in their presence, even as I do not expect them to respond to my comments in any way but revulsion. They hate what I say, don't want me to say it, and judge me negatively because of it. I've lost the friendships of several cousins and friends. My aunts rebuked me in clear ways, one ordering me out of her house. So be it. 

I think it is vital to be honest with others because silence implies agreement. I have remained silent at times, such as the event Daniel described recently of attending a Jewish ceremony. I would probably not have been vocal about my disagreement at such an event because they don't matter to me. However, I think I would have a private conversation with my host. 

Speaking out against religions has become my nature. It's personal in this area even the hardcore 'sinners' uphold religion. Someone has to let the young people know that religion is even more peculiar in this tiny area. If you are catholic it's unheard of. Out of over three hundred churches only one is catholic. Everything else is some type of baptist or Pentecostal crap.




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