What's wrong with there being theists in the world? As long as they're not forcing you to join them, it's ok, right? ..Wrong.. This group is to share thoughts about the dangers of theism -- and through the discussion, to be armed to enlighten others.

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A happy median?

Started by Noh Name. Last reply by Tonya Wynn Dec 19, 2013. 7 Replies

I've tried not to be hostile towards theism, not that I think it is something to be tolerated or protected, but bc I once was a theist.  I know that if an anti-theist like Hitchens would get going I…Continue

My new Youtube channel "Saving You From Your Religion"

Started by Shane Starr. Last reply by Tonya Wynn Dec 19, 2013. 2 Replies

So I had a run in with one of those bible thumping "I'm going to save the world for jesus" types today in a restaurant and after much debate I decided to start a YouTube channel to vent some of my…Continue

Atheist v Anti-theist

Started by Steph S.. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 13, 2013. 5 Replies

Good blog to read feel it’s time I clarify…Continue

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Comment by Alan Perlman on June 15, 2012 at 1:46pm

That was an excellent alternative, and I'm glad there was family consensus.  Death is prime-time for religious folks.  Lots of fear and obedience.

Comment by Alan Perlman on June 15, 2012 at 11:11am

It's regrettable that atheists have to develop strategies for dealing with believers.  But their strategies for dealing with us - torture, murder, condemnation, ostracism -- have been well-practiced for millennia.  We're newcomers to the argument and have to play catch-up.  I'm thinking of George Carlin's challenge to God to smite him and his audience.  God decided to do neither, surprise, surprise. 

And how do I deal with my Judaism-lite family (I keep thinking ahead to Mom's funeral), whose beliefs are shaky and practices superficial?  I love these people, but I have just as much contempt for this as for hard-core believers.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 13, 2012 at 5:49pm

The first bit of evidence that astronomy, as defined by ancients, was based on old myths and stories and religious dogma. Over centuries, even more than a millennium, the church opposed any thought other than the Earth is  the center of the universe and it was created for the benefit of human beings.  

When I realized astronomy had been able to break the code of movement of the stars and even of the size of the universe I realized the notions about human beings could be wrong as well. Am I really created to serve and love god? is my purpose to be a sacrificial lamb to others? is my meaning bound up in submitting to some high power/husband? 

The astronomy question has been around since at least 500 B.C. and we are still learning of the size and scope of the universe. Hubble  discovered the expanding universe in 1927 and we still learn new things each day. 

"In 2000, Pope John Paul II issued a formal apology for all the mistakes committed by some Catholics in the last 2,000 years of the Catholic Church's history, including the trial of Galileo among others.

Pope says sorry for sins of church

There are a few more churches and religious who need to offer their sorrow for sins committed in the name of their gods. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 13, 2012 at 4:28pm

I am painfully aware talking, reasoning, revealing the unintended or intended consequences of religion has made no difference in other's thinking. They boldly go on imposing on nonbelievers as if we had the responsibility to remain silent and take it with good humor and pleasant smiles. 

Well, not after what christians do and say and believe and try to shove down our throats. The only way, at least as far as I can tell, is to be clear in my own head, to be specific and concrete in my writing and speaking, and be willing to use the Hitch attitude when confronted. I/we lose family and friends, but let us just realize that 7,000,000,000 human beings walk on this Earth and we can chose with whom we walk and talk. 

Comment by Alan Perlman on June 9, 2012 at 12:04pm

Joan, Thanks for the eight God-premises.  We don't need ten commandments - we can do it in eight!

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 7, 2012 at 12:11pm


1. A belief that is learned by watching and imitating others  who display this type of behavior, it maintains relationships that are one-sided, emotionally destructive and/or abusive. 

2. Attitudes, behaviors, customs, traditions and values that foster dependence.


1. A belief in and worship of superhuman controlling power, a personal god that is learned.  A belief that god created homo sapiens to be dependent, passive, and subordinate to god. The Passive Gospel. Historically, it derives from "religare" to restrain, tie back, to give meaning and purpose.

2. Attitudes, behaviors, customs, traditions and values that foster dependent, passive, and submission to god.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 7, 2012 at 12:11pm


1:  a belief that homo sapiens are the most significant entity of the universe

2:  attitudes, behaviors, customs, traditions and values that foster interpreting or regarding the world in terms of human experiences.


1:  a belief that gender is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that gender differences produce an inherent superiority of male gender over female; discrimination against women

2:  attitudes, behaviors, customs, traditions and values that foster stereotypes of social roles based on gender.

1:  a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2:  attitudes, behaviors, customs, traditions and values that foster racial prejudice or discrimination.


1:  a belief that a person or philosophy has the power to rule and control a country, region, people, resources, etc. 

2:  attitudes, behaviors, customs, traditions and values that claim the right to have power and control over others or things.


1:  A belief that a god or philosophy is unusual or uncommon and result in inherent superiority over others. 

2:  attitudes, behaviors, customs, traditions and values that foster superiority and the right to have dominion over others or things.


1:  A belief that a specific and particular god is the central interest and ultimate concern 

2:  attitudes, behaviors, customs, traditions and values that foster a specific and particular god.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 7, 2012 at 12:10pm

Basic fallacies of religion are:

1.  God created man in gods image. - Anthropocentrism

2.  God created man, male, in his male, god image. - Sexism

3.  God created my race superior to your race. - Racism

4.  God created man to have dominion over all that swims, crawls, flies. - Dominionism

5.  God created man to worship the “one true god. - Exceptionalism 

6.  God is sovereign – Theocentrism

7. God created man to obey - Theo-co-dependent

8. God created man be dependent, passive, and subordinate - Religious 

Joan Denoo

Sunday, March 28, 2010  original

Thursday,  June 7, 2012  revised 

Comment by Alan Perlman on June 7, 2012 at 10:24am

Patricia...some years ago my wife (maried to someone else) actually let a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses in -- and debated them for days, if not weeks.   Neither side budged an inch.  A couple of weeks ago, another cleanm-cut pair appeared at our door asking if we wanted to talk about the Bible.  Unfortunately, we didn't have time, so all they got was my statement that "we're hard-core atheists here" and my wife shouting from another room that the Bible was a book of horrible, primitive fantasies and God a deranged sadist. Where does one start?  Do I want to damage family relationships by belittling their superficial Judaism?  From the other side, mistrust of atheists shows up in polls that show people more likely to vote for a woman, a gay person, a Jew -- almost anyone but an atheist -- for President.  I think change has to come from the top, with an openly secular national figure -- a congressional leader or even the Prez.  Hard to believe that nearly all politicians pay at least lip service to religion and dare not utter a word against it.

Comment by Alan Perlman on June 6, 2012 at 8:06pm


As a PR person (speechwriting), I'm aware of the marketplace of ideas.  Atheists are way too quiet.  A bus ad or billboard here and there won't do it.  For starters, how about every religion story on TV or in the news has a quote from an atheist organization stating that, scientifically speaking, the events being celebrated just didn't happen?


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