Atheism and social action


Atheism and social action

We discuss the problem of solidarity and atheism. For example we need advices for people who lost their beliefs and want something new. We must strengthened the idea of social solidarity and discuss the ancient faults of the Left

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Comment by Rich Goss on January 1, 2010 at 9:48am
We can just "convert" to secular humanism

Objection, I’ve been thinking about this a long time. Humans have to realize that they are the culmination of evolution in many ways.

It took the planet four billion years to evolve intelligence. It’s time to appreciate this wonder and not give the credit to an imaginary god. Intelligence is the only thing that can save the planet.

I'm working on a blog post on Hippies. There was a lot of humanism in those days. Stay tuned.
Comment by Objection on January 1, 2010 at 4:46am
The "problem" of solidarity has an easy solution for me. We can just "convert" to secular humanism. We 'secularists' would umbrella the agnostics, the humanists, and the freethinkers; you know, people who want separation of church and state.
I tend to interchange between 'a-theist', if I'm trying to break down theism, and 'secular humanist', if I want to make myself look like I am asserting a viewpoint, not just rejecting another's.
Comment by Jasyn Taylor on December 11, 2009 at 11:51am
Hit the send button to soon! One more thing...

We all have more in common than one might think.
Comment by Jasyn Taylor on December 11, 2009 at 11:50am
In response to Wonderist...

I have begun a blog series similar to what you are describing, called Syn: The New Code for living a Moral Life. Because atheism holds everyone that doesn't believe in god(s), there will be so many different opinions and views of how the world should be. Hell, look at christianity! Thousands of different views, but all share a common bond. Humanity will always disagree and agree. There is no right way and no wrong way. It's just life and we need to get through it the best way possible, while leaving a good path for those behind us to follow.
Comment by Wonderist on November 22, 2009 at 9:48pm
Atheism per se can never really be a bond for social action. There needs to be a philosophy that is shared among the activists beyond mere lack of belief in gods. Whatever that philosophy is, only some atheists will be on board, while others will abstain. So, I believe the goal should be to develop a minimalist philosophy that the largest number of atheists can agree upon. It would have to be extremely simple, with few restrictions, and few goals. By keeping it minimal, many people can get on board and big changes can be enacted. So, I propose discussing what minimal principles and goals could be agreed upon by the largest cross-section of atheists.

As a starting point, I think a good minimalist set of principles might start with a set of ground-rules for constructive discourse. This means, given that we will have inevitable disagreements and conflicts, what principles must we hold to in order to keep communication going, and to hopefully resolve disagreements and conflicts. Example principles might be non-violence, evidence-based reasoning, intellectual honesty, etc.

Once such a foundation for constructive discourse is established, then we can develop a broad range of activist goals, where different people will choose to participate towards different goals, but we will all be generally supportive of each other as long as the foundational constructive discourse is maintained. It's about being open-minded in our cooperative efforts.

It's similar to how Atheist Nexus accepts all atheists, but different people have different interests and participate in different groups. As long as we all follow some basic ground-rules, the entire site benefits. A rising tide floats all boats.
Comment by Rich Goss on November 5, 2009 at 4:00pm
There is definitely a problem with solidarity among atheists. We have nothing in common except that we don’t believe in the same thing—God.

Religious people have much in common: they obey the rules of the same religion, they go to weekly gettogethers, they believe everyone should do as they do.

Atheists have to develop a common cause. Here’s one: Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee might be the next presidential administration. Both believe Christ is coming in their lifetime. They threaten to annihilate all life that has evolved on the planet—four billion years of life gone to waste.

They’re more worried about Israel then they are about the great animals going extinct. I can’t picture a world without tigers and elephants, zebras and giraffes. To religious people the animals mean little; polar bears and the mountain gorillas of Uganda don’t have a soul.
Comment by Ralph Dumain on October 18, 2009 at 11:23am
Liberals aren't even liberal, let alone leftists. To call the Democratic Party the left is to defile the very possibility of political analysis.
Comment by Tarquin St John Sh'gn'sty on October 15, 2009 at 6:32pm
Not surprised at the comments.

Context: This from a country where large numbers of people seem to honestly believe their president is a socialist.
Comment by Ralph Dumain on October 15, 2009 at 11:00am
What horseshit!
Comment by LeoPardus on October 15, 2009 at 10:49am
I won't argue that the right seems to be better at making a lot of noise on certain political issues: health care notable among them. I will maintain however that it's an issue of how much noise they make, not of how respectful anyone is. Both left and right seems equally adept at boorishness.

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