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Started by Patricia. Last reply by Patricia Apr 20. 6 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on February 4, 2015 at 9:04pm

Oh, yes. I should have thought. 

Comment by Daniel W on February 4, 2015 at 8:46pm
On Moses, the stories related to him are extraordinary . So those claims require extraordinary evidence.

No evidence for the Hebrew slaves in Egypt.
No evidence for the plagues.
No evidence for the passover - all those people, and not a pottery shard.

I should say, no credible evidence. There may be bogus evidence.

You cant prove a negative. But you also cant prove there is no Ahura Mazda, or Quetzalcoatl, or Buddha.
Comment by Joan Denoo on February 4, 2015 at 4:54pm

How would you build a position for a debate, Joseph? On either side? The claims from each side seem imaginary to me. 

Comment by Joseph P on February 4, 2015 at 3:30pm

Sadly, I could see it being based upon real arguments made by some Israelis, although hopefully not by anyone influential enough to get sent to the UN on their behalf.  I think they have a good number of analogues to our fundamentalist nuts, over there.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 4, 2015 at 3:30pm

@ Joan and Joseph - how can you argue with Charleton Heston, Cecil B. DeMille and a cast of 1000s???

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 4, 2015 at 3:02pm

Joseph, as I almost always agree with your comments, this one requires a comment. You and I and we know Moses is, in fact, fictional, until and unless any evidence shows up to cause us to reevaluate.

The problem exists in those who have constructed Moses in their minds. Those stories, told over hundreds of years, lie deeply in the thinking of some people.

Given that reality, how is one to respond?  

Comment by Joseph P on February 4, 2015 at 2:45pm

The fact that Moses is almost certainly fictional is just a side issue.

Comment by Joseph P on January 31, 2015 at 9:02pm

@Bizu Dana

Precisely. Church is ALL about feeling, trust me!

Strangely, the only feeling I ever had about going to mass was boredom.  I even became an altar boy for 5 or 6 years, just to have something to do during mass.  Perhaps the lack of emotional pull helped keep the childhood brainwashing from taking hold, although there were many other factors.

as very young of age i have desacralised all of this, and purged it from my system (although i cannot remember ever believing) and never could get influenced by the general pop culture feeling of shame and humility that everyone seemed to assume only at the precise fraction of second as they passed through the doors of the church.

Same here.  I have vague memories of when I was 5 or 6 years old, listening to the stories out of the Gospels and wondering why the silly adults expected us to believe that they actually happened, when they were so obviously like the stories in Aesop's Fables and Grimm's Fairy-tales that I got told at home.

I was always a bit dubious, but I had firmly concluded that the bible was a bunch of nonsense, sometime around the age of 11 or 12.

And what is worse, the worse of all. Priest walks among people with an overbearing stance and that stupid condescending look in his face.

 i always thought that a person has power only as long as there are people willing to be subdued by power. Same goes for anything that has power

Most of the Catholic priests I dealt with were pretty decent, really.  I think the more imperious, overbearing attitude comes from those further up in the church hierarchy.

I had a couple who I talked to who said flat-out that there's nothing wrong with things like Dungeons & Dragons and other fantasy games, as long as you remember that it's fantasy.  I was pretty surprised by that, given how much crazed fear of demonic influence I had heard from the more extreme, conservative Christians.  I have to wonder how many of the priests I interacted with were the sort that we know about now, who are basically atheists stuck in the clergy.

Comment by Grinning Cat on January 30, 2015 at 9:43pm

Patricia, I guess praying for more toilet paper doesn't work!

And thanks for the concise flowchart showing how praying to one's deity of choice is exactly as effective as praying to a jug of milk. [Unless taking part in the ritual helps the person go and be open to opportunities, and do things that actually help!] That argument was stated powerfully in GodIsImaginary.com.

The Best Optical Illusion in the World:

Comment by sk8eycat on January 30, 2015 at 8:03pm

Patricia, thanks for all the laughs! 

Srsly...I need them right now.  Just found out that Colleen McCullough died this week.  I hated most of her books except her "Masters of Rome" series.  THOSE books are amazing!  Damn.  So many of my favorite authors have died in the last 10 -15 years!

 

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