Atheist Morality


Atheist Morality

A place for atheists to discuss morality issues. What shapes your morality? What new perspectives have you found since abandoning faith (if you ever had any)? Is there any merit to religious moral authority?

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Comment by John Jubinsky on August 24, 2010 at 6:32am
I think many of us are rather forgiving about things we do and less so when others do similar annoying breaches of conduct.

This is true in too many cases. One of the statements that Aesop is famous for is:

The injury we do and the one we suffer are not weighed on the same scale.

In that we see something wrong with this double standard morality cannot be divorced from the golden rule. However, we do not have to subscribe to religion to understand or believe in the golden rule. It is philosophical, not religious.
Comment by Alex McCullie on August 24, 2010 at 5:37am
Jonathan Haidt in a recent Edge seminar on morality described morality (perhaps tongue-in-cheek) as "consensual hallucination".
Comment by John B Hodges on August 24, 2010 at 4:44am
Replying to Fred Werther-
Atheism "as such" says nothing about a lot of things; "the absence of god-beliefs" would imply only that whatever ethical system you have must be based on considerations in this world. But it is a common claim of theists that only religion CAN offer any basis for ethics, that secular morality is impossible. This claim is wrong in at least four ways- (1) it confuses obedience with morality (2) empirically, believers are not on average any better-behaved than atheists (3) Christians, at least, do not actually FOLLOW either the Law of Moses OR the NT teachings of Jesus, and don't even pretend to try- they have theology that says they don't have to, that they are "saved by faith and not by works" (4) The Law of Moses is barbaric, the NT teachings of Jesus are apocalyptic, making sense only if you believe, as Jesus did, that the world was going to be destroyed a week from Thursday.

I have an essay "Atheist Foundations of Ethics" at
Comment by Lyle Warren on August 13, 2010 at 5:28pm
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Comment by John Jubinsky on June 21, 2010 at 8:36pm
Hi Glenn. There is nothing complicated about the purpose of morality. Its purpose is to provide us the psychological freedom to love. Without this freedom we become psychopaths.
Comment by John Jubinsky on June 21, 2010 at 8:14pm
Well said Diana.
Comment by Diana on June 21, 2010 at 3:01pm
"They think that they don't have to be moral because they are already saved."
You know, I actually don't think it even gets to that point, because they don't think. It's on a visceral level. In a way, that's why they're Christian - there is just the feeling that one doesn't need to think about what one does. No need to think, and maybe even a step beyond that. If you DO think, there might be the necessity to examine your own actions and motivations, and maybe even beliefs, and where would all that lead? That's why I have found that there just isn't any way to even discuss this disconnect with them. It's the fingers in the ears and "La, La, La, I can't hear you."
Comment by John Jubinsky on June 21, 2010 at 1:57pm
I know what you are talking about Diana. The mentality is sickening. They think that they don't have to be moral because they are already saved.
Comment by Diana on June 21, 2010 at 11:37am
I used to teach at a high school in Texas where EVERYBODY is Christian, and the moral level of the place was so low that I just couldn't bear to be there anymore. Parents started meetings with prayer, and then tried to intimidate teachers into changing grades. Administrators started meetings with gospel music, and then lied their way through the rest of the meetings. Teachers constantly sent religious glurges through the email system, and then lied while they covered for each other and took half days off. And not one of them ever noticed how their sense of what was moral was skewed by their own religious feelings that they were just automatically "good" and their actions justified because of the fact that they were Christian. There was no way to break into that system to point out the problems, no common ground to even begin a discussion of the problem. They saw no problem.
Comment by Glenn Sogge on June 21, 2010 at 11:02am
A recent post over at the Center For Inquiry is entitled "What Is the Purpose of Morality?" It is author Ronald Lindsay's contention that before figuring out a secular morality we need to be clear about what the purpose of a morality is.

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