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Comment by Jo Jerome on December 21, 2009 at 3:48pm

If you're in the Northern Hemisphere, may you have happy visualizations of whatever sun god(s) seem coolest to you at the moment (I'm in kind of a Nordic mood myself). May your doing-for-yourself result in speedy and bountiful Spring blooms, literal and metaphorical.

If you're in the Southern Hemisphere, may your Summer endeavors result in overflowing awesome Fall harvests, literal and metaphorical!
Comment by Jo Jerome on November 26, 2009 at 11:34pm
The way I see it:

- If it's real, if it exists, then it's natural, not supernatural.

- We can confidently say that scientifically, we have yet to discover/measure/explain absolutely everything. Not even remotely close.

- Therefore, there are real, natural things which to us, having not discovered/measured/explained them yet, will appear supernatural.

The difference is: Do we see the apparently supernatural thing and say "Wow! God must have done it!" Or do we say, "Wow! Something new to scientifically discover/measure/explain!"
Comment by willybilly30 on November 26, 2009 at 10:03am
I don't think my minds totally let loose on the idea of a supernatural.
One of these days I am sure I will be that way tho.
I think for some it's a slow process to become the Atheist who doesn't believe in supernatural stuff.
Comment by Sean Murphy on November 26, 2009 at 8:48am
Some people can believe in Supernatural without actually believeing in gods. The question of whether such a person is an atheist is an interesting topic for debate, since in a strictly etymological interpretation of the term, such a person certainly would be, but the more commonly used definition holds that atheists do not believe in anything supernatural or paranormal. Then again, what about someone who believes in psychic phenomena, or even in magic, but believes they are perfectly natural and normal? That person meets the definition, but many (if not most) atheists would consider such a person - well, not an atheist, let's leave it at that. That is becasue many, of not most, atheists believe that to be an atheist you have to maintain purely rational and demonstrable beliefs, and psyhic phenomena (and even more so magic) have an ambiguous record of scientific verification at best. (As a Sophist, if I am in a mischievous mood, I must admit to sometimes baiting extremely strident scientific rationalists by bringing up quantum entanglement or dark energy...)
Comment by Jo Jerome on November 24, 2009 at 9:50pm
I definitely think it's possible to hug a tree, howl at the moon, and acknowledge the psychological benefits of ritual and visualization without literally believing in gods and fairies.

While terms like 'psychic' are a hot button around here, I'm one of several who believe in the quantum interconnectedness of all matter, and that it's not a stretch to wonder if it's possible for a person to feel/sense the atomic energy of another person/thing/event in ways science has yet to measure and we have yet to fully explain. All without a literal belief in a sentient sky-daddy.
Comment by willybilly30 on November 24, 2009 at 11:49am
I hope I am welcome here I am sort on nervous to explain myself.
I been in wicca about 5 or more years but I have always had a problem.
The gods, goddesses, mythology, fairiers etc. I could really do without.
I don't believe in god I think if any god exists it's more of a thing we make up maybe an energy form or something.
I heard once magic is done with energy it's not a god it has no emotion or anything.
Kind of like if I use a hammer to build a birdhouse it don't care about me or what I do it don't even have thoughts.
I like meditation, crystal magic, working on phychic abilitys and celebrating the seasons.
Isn't it possible to do this without believing some god is watching you? I think so I think we all have inner power with no god involved.
If i'm way off on what you all think please let me stay anyway I would like to learn more about Atheist Pagans.
Comment by Robyn on November 2, 2009 at 3:26am
Thanks for that Jo, we don't seem to have the same negativity towards atheists and pagans here in Australia, but then again, our country wasn't founded by paranoid people escaping religious persecution. No trick or treaters came around my place Saturday night :-)
Steve, Bonfire night used to be a huge thing back when I was a child in the 70's but then local government councils banned bonfires due to pollution concerns and it faded away. I remember gathering at my primary school for a huge bonfire complete with burning the Guy Fawkes effigy and cooking baked potatoes in aluminium foil in the ashes. I understand Nov 5th celebrations were a mix of ancient Beltaine Belfire rituals and Guy Fawkes trying to blow up the English Parliament? I think it was also big in my neighbourhood because it was mostly English migrants who settled in the 1960's.
Comment by Steve on November 1, 2009 at 10:26pm
Jo, you mention "occasional act of outright violence and vandalism towards Pagans/Atheists around this time of year". I wasn't aware of that so perhaps it was a subconscious action that told me taken my concealed carry pistol with me last night (we drove across town to a party)
Talking about parties, I had too much last night and even now, almost 24 hours later, I still don't feel very good.
BTW, my apparent limited info about America and the American way of life is because I've only been here for 12 years (ex-Brit) and I was made a citizen on November 5th which means another party (oh no!)
Do you guys in Oz recongize bonfire night on Nov 5th, Robyn?
Comment by Jo Jerome on November 1, 2009 at 5:52pm
Yeah, here in the good old USA Halloween is quite a popular holiday, and also a popular one for the Fundies to slam. Few decades ago, it was the urban legend that devil worshipers were poisoning trick-or-treat candy and razor blades in apples.

Then they tried creating their own competing "Hell Houses." A Christian version of a Haunted House, only instead it was displays of scary secular things and why you should stay on the righteous path. "Here's pictures of dead fetuses ... Here's a Harry Potter display all about how it teaches witchcraft ..."

Then of course there's the occasional act of outright violence and vandalism towards Pagans/Atheists around this time of year.
Comment by Robyn on November 1, 2009 at 1:07pm
Jo and Steve, when you talk about fundamentalist christian craziness, what country are you referring to?
Downunder in Aus, Halloween isn't a big thing, though it is getting bigger every year with the costumes available in the cheap stores.
I am guessing you are referring to American as they seem to have the largest Halloween trick-or-treat culture??
What is the usual craziness Jo?

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