Atheists, Addictions, 12 Step Recovery, and Alternatives


Atheists, Addictions, 12 Step Recovery, and Alternatives

Trouble with drugs (including alcohol) or other potential addictions? Tried 12 step recovery and found it wanting? You're welcome here.

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Desiderata (Revised)

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.

Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars, you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with it, whatever you conceive it to be.

And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace with your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

Discussion Forum

I was once a druggie, now overeating has taken it's place

Started by Gwen Bailey. Last reply by Gerald Payne Nov 1, 2015. 1 Reply

Sex, love, porn

Started by Misha H.. Last reply by Misha H. Jul 7, 2015. 5 Replies

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I was once a druggie, now overeating has taken it's place

Hi, I'm new here. This is my first post so here goes. I came from a christian family but spent most of my life rebelling against it. There were two times when I lived as an out and out christian these both happened after a time of heavy drug taking, mainly LSD, pot, coke, smack etc. Now I've been living a number of years as an overweight christian. So that tells you I was never healed of my addiction (drugs or food) even though I did a couple of recovery courses in the church I went to. I…

Sex, love, porn

I am carving out a space for those dealing with sex, love, and porn addictions with the hope of establishing a closed group where we can share confidentially.   Generally the public shaming of these behaviors, even among other addicts, makes it difficult to obtain help and speak freely about these issues.  This discussion, however is not private, so please send me a message if you would like to be part of a group only open to those working to leave such behaviors behind.  …

Drug addiction isn't a disease

Neuroscientist: Why It's Dangerously Wrong to Approach Addiction as a Kind of Disease

Neuroscientist, psychologist and former addict Marc Lewis offers a refreshing take on addiction that  fits with other research I've read.

To have a disease — instead of, say, a dangerous habit — is to be powerless to do anything except apply the…

Fictional look at AA culture in a zombie apocolypse setting

A book just came out by a New York lawyer by day, 12 Step prowler and author by night who goes by the pen name Michele Miller.

The setting is this new zombie apocalypses craze, a la Walking Dead or WWZ, neither of which I have every seen. I don't make time for this genre of story…

The growing secular voice in 12 Step Recovery

I am really happy to find this community. I was reading about the introduction of a secular 12 Steps to NA World Service. That sounds like a great idea that will meet some resistance. Organizations either adapt or reify into obscurity. AA is having a hard time getting a spirituality pamphlet approved by the Conference floor and some say it's because the inclusion of atheists and agnostics talking about their AA life is untenable to some of the more superstitious members.

I do like…

Back in "Sober Living facility" and getting beat over the head w/the "Bill's Big Book" need suggestions!

Hi, I just got out of detox (from Methadone/Buprenorphine) and have managed to land myself in a 3/4 house.  I haven't had time to read all the posts here yet but just wanted to re-introduce myself.  I've been a member of Atheist Nexus for a while now but I don't remember finding this particular group.  But there's a lot I may not remember lol.  Anyway all atheist help will be appreciated!

New in recovery

 I have one week of sobriety. I am glad that I found this group. I went to an AA meeting and hated it because of the talk of a higher power. Being brand new at sobriety I could use any support and friendship that I can find.

Looking for something better than Alanon

Hi Folks! I've been part of Atheist Nexus for years, but haven't been all that active recently. My husband (a superstitious, anti-organized-religion, theist) started attending AA meetings last year, and suggested I start attending Alanon. I can't stand the opening/closing prayers, the reading to the 12 steps, most of which makes reference to god/higher power. I feel like everyone at these meetings drank the coolaid, and I wonder what brainwashing is going on in the AA meetings my husband is…

Confronting the Fellowship of NA.

Greetings All,


          My name is Bill, and I am currently involved with the NA program. Im not a cookie-cutter member of the fellowship, as it were. My program does not involve the use of a god, and I feel my recovery is solid, as I have mulitiple years clean. My current journey brings me to the position of confronting the fellowship as a whole, about the inherent bias that runs through the literature/mtgs. They (NA, and the ppl involved) say that it is up to the…

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Comment by Matt on February 6, 2010 at 10:18pm
Hi guys. I'm as disinclined to enter a bar as much as a church, but find that both these leaves me feeling isolated and frankly, at age 50, just waiting for the clock to run down. How can I find what there is for me?
Comment by maxdaemian on December 8, 2009 at 2:07pm
Hello All, Im very happy to have found this group, I've belonged to the Nexus for over a year and only just realized this group was here. Due to the nature of my job, I travel a a lot and am often unable to go to meeting or interact with other recovering addicts let alone those who are atheists. I've been having a difficult time lately with my recovery and have been away from home for quite awhile and I just wanted to express my appreciation for all of the people who belong to this group and have contributed to it. You have all helped me with your stories and comments. Anyone who would ever like to talk about recovery or atheism or anything for that matter, feel free to message me and thanks again. -maxdaemian
Comment by Curtis Edward Clark on November 19, 2009 at 3:43pm
Well, Luke, it obviously it not "official", yet, and may never be, but the current crop of "trusted servants" who are running the show in New York obviously understand the need to be open even to those who don't believe in God. In an article published in the GSO publication "box 459" just this year, they told about a man who uses a GI Joe doll as his "higher power", and they were not making fun of him.

I would stop holding a resentment toward the prejudices of Bill and Bob, and start understanding that our trusted servants are actually serving everyone now. How do you explain the "official recognition" of my group with a registration number? How do you explain that at the East Central Forum put on the GSO in my home town last weekend that I was not accosted by anyone when I got up to the open mic and declared that my homegroup was called "Atheists and Spirituality"?

AA is a different game now. Perhaps that has not filtered through the consciousness of all the groups, and it probably never will. There is a local group here that has their own official t-shirts and a "god quote" from the Big Book is bigger than life on the back of the shirts. THAT upset someone who went to the open mic, but the admission of my group didn't rile anyone; at least, not anyone who was willing to say it to my face.
Comment by Luke on November 18, 2009 at 10:57pm
Your message to the group said:
By the way, AA has no problem with atheists. I started a home group in my town, and the New York office (GSO) gave it an official registration number. The title of the current Gravevine, if you have not seen it, is "Always Inclusive, Never Exclusive."

I really don't see how a group who insists that all members must accept and make requests of a "Higher Power" is fully accepting of an atheist. They require a change that I cannot make. How can I be an atheist who believes in a Higher Power who answers requests for assistance? This would like being a fundamentalist christian who doesn't believe in gods.

Please explain.
Comment by Pete Soderman on November 18, 2009 at 10:10pm
Curtis, if I thought there was anything of value in AA for me I would have started an atheist AA group here, but there just isn't. I much prefer the SMART format, and it's based upon good science that works, rather then magic. Face it, no one who truly understands how they are abstaining needs to continue meetings for the rest of their life. Once you have the tools to dispute your irrational thinking, they rapidly become a part of your life, and you can move on. The only thing in AA I consider of value is the tenth step, as the big book describes it. If properly understood, it puts you in the moment, constantly aware of your thoughts, actions and beliefs as well as your interactions with others. Zen, of course, will put you int he same place, and faster 'cause that's what meditation is designed to do.

I'm aware that there are many "secular" AA groups across the country and perhaps the world, but I simply don't see the need for all the baggage AA brings with it. The fellowship is certainly a positive thing, but that can be obtained elsewhere, in Humanist groups, etc.. I'm not knocking what you're doing, just saying it's not for me.
Comment by Curtis Edward Clark on November 18, 2009 at 3:40pm
Pete. I started an atheist AA group in my hometown, and the GSO in NY gave it an official registration number. The title of the Gravevine this month is "Always Inclusive, Never Exclusive." They really mean it. And most people here in Kalamazoo accept me and tell me they appreciate my comments on being atheist in AA. http://groups.google.com/group/atheist-aa is the web address of my atheist AA Google group.
Comment by Pete Soderman on July 13, 2009 at 6:57pm
Hi, I'm new to Atheistnexus, but not to atheism or recovery. Quit drinking in '90 in AA, not doing the program (sorry, just couldn't make the leap), but enjoying the fellowship part. Finally, about five years ago I really had enough with the overt religiosity in this area of the country permeating the meetings and started looking for a secular recovery organization that made sense.

A couple of years ago, I found SMART, and started a meeting here in Wilmington, NC. It is doing fine, and so am I. My feeling is that if someone truly wants to quit, almost anything will work. If the individual does not want to quit, nothing will. Motivation is key. Take care.

Comment by Wendi on June 10, 2009 at 4:31pm
Nice link, Dr. Ned - I took the quiz and got 80%...but then I already knew I was an alkie. ;-) Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that I haven't had a cocktail in nearly a year!
Comment by Preston on June 8, 2009 at 2:24am
I have been a substance abuse and addictions counselor for over twenty years. I am always looking for support for clients who are nontheists.

Comment by Dr. Ned Kelly on May 25, 2009 at 10:39pm
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