Post your likes and dislikes, guys.

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valid point on colbert and daily show. i meant "non documentary" type tv./ non news.

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Ooh, good one.


Thank you good sir :)

Likes and dislikes?  You mean, in general?  Like anchovies on pizza?  Or are you thinking of preferences, as regarding women?


All right, assuming the latter - I like smart women. The smarter the better, utterly brilliant would be great.  And honest.  That's a biggie, and seems to be very hard to find.  Politically either moderate or conservative would be nice, but I guess if she's liberal and can stand me, then I can hardly do less.


I also like women who are more country than city.  They're just more relaxed and tolerant, and nicer people.  I'm sure there are exceptions to this, but you asked.  And women who like kids are great; so many these days don't.  Low maintenance is wonderful; defined as being able to take care of oneself. Mature, responsible and having a good sense of humor probably round out the description.


You may notice that I didn't mention anything physical. That's because that's secondary, and highly variable.  When a man loves a woman, she becomes beautiful to him. 

Most of those things are negotiable.  For instance, I suspect that, for a woman I truly loved, I might try to put up with being stuck in a city.

But unfortunately, children are the one thing that it's nearly impossible to compromise on. You can't have just half a kid.  And sadly, it seems to be the fashionable these days to not want children.  I don't quite understand it; when I was in college, I don't think I knew any women at all who didn't want to get married and have a family. Now, it seems like about a third or better of those I meet are averse to the idea.  

<rhetorical> I don't know what happened; I still feel the same way, what is it that changed for everyone else? </rhetorical>


You can't have just half a kid.

There are some birth defects that can make that possible, actually.  :-P

Tonya, couples haven't changed, and the social contract is still there.  The difference is that social and personal responsibility is on the decline.  Divorce has always existed (remember Henry the Eighth & his six wives?) as have all the other things you mentioned.  But nowadays it's considered much less reprehensible to go against the grain than it was in previous times. 

However, that's a separate issue. I have always wanted to have children, and continue to do so, regardless of whether it's stylish or not. So I will just have to keep looking until I find someone who feels the same way.  (shrug)

Independent, outgoing, educated, under 6' tall, has to love the outdoors but also like to just chill when it's bad out. These are what I like about women. Dislikes... Overly "redneck" women, any women that thinks she should be on an MTV show. (jersey shore) Or someone that thinks that they are better than some people because they are pretty. That's about it. 

The other fellow named Michael (parents must not have been especially creative with names!) makes an excellent point: the thing in a relationship which least admits compromise is the question of having a child.   I have been relatively happily married, but for several months my wife and I have been separated and divorce is coming in a few months, all because suddenly she wants to have a child, and I insist to the contrary.  We married with the understanding of remaining perpetually childless, and lived that way for many years, until her "biological clock" struck (we're both in our late 30s).  I am not ready to form a new relationship, but the experience has placed me in a philosophical mood, to contemplate how people meet and find like-minded partners.

So what would I prefer in a woman?  Introspection and a kind of eloquence of self-expression are mandatory.  Formal education and an office-wall festooned with diplomas are not important, but it is essential that she is reasonably well-read, or at least desires to become as such, and that she has the perspicacity and the drive to form and to defend her opinions - not about color of curtains or texture of furniture, but about society, politics, philosophy, the arts, human nature, and yes - religion.  Atheism would be a definite plus, but a relaxed form of religious adherence would be acceptable, provided that it is not dogmatic and admits critical review.  But the core criterion is childlessness and deep preference to remain childless. 

Here in the American Midwest, we have a particular kind of conservatism.  Women can and do have thriving careers, and with the collapse of the blue-collar economy I gather that female workers are likely more economically successful and secure than their male counterparts.  From the economic viewpoint, the feminist revolution has been a success.  But from the cultural viewpoint, not so much.  Women are still expected to become mothers.  And while there may not be an overt nagging pressure such as gossiping neighbors blighting a childless woman's reputation, there is a self-imposed pressure, that a childless woman is "missing out" and a traitor to her higher essence.  This is the sort of feeling that is overcoming my soon-to-be-former wife. 

Of course there are people "out there", male and female, who share similar world-views (atheism, childlessness,...) - but the combination of rare qualities makes dating and relating quite difficult.  Let's look at the numbers.  Southwestern Ohio, where I live, has in the combined Cincinnati-Dayton-Columbus metro areas maybe 2-3 million people.  Some 40% of adults are not married (a rough number).  Assuming that this is equally distributed between ages of 18 and 80 (not true, but OK for a first approximation), and that for a 40 year old male, females between say 22 and 45 are "acceptable" dating material, there are some 150000 eligible single women.  Now let's assume that 10% of the populace are atheist/agnostic/unaffiliated... now down to 15000 women.  And of those, 20% are childless by choice and prefer to remain that way... down to around 3000 women.  Viewed pessimistically, that's 0.1% of the general population.  Viewed optimistically, that's several concert-halls or movie theaters completely crammed with potentially "eligible" women.  Presumably the mirror-image calculation would work for women seeking men.

So there are two sides to the challenge of dating.  In proportional terms, nearly every potential dating candidate is a poor candidate.  But in absolute numerical terms, the numbers are not so bad.  How, then, to facilitate the mechanics of dating?

Hi, Michael.

You raise an interesting point. I continue to be amazed at just how much one's perspective is affected by where they live.  For example, in this area of the country, just over one quarter of the populace is atheistic or at least nonreligious.  I don't have any firm numbers on the incidence of childless women, but from my own experience, I would guess that about 1 in 3 single women seem to be uninclined towards children.  Given that the metro area here is about on the same scale as your own, that equates to roughly 12,000 women who are suitable in terms of religion, age group and attitude.  Still a minority, but a considerably larger one. 

I'm kind of in the reverse position. I'm stuck in a very liberal area, with a large number of women who don't want kids, and I very much want to meet someone and have children. It almost seems like some sort of cultural exchange is in order.  Once your divorce is final, introduce me to your ex, and I'll offer to introduce you to all the women I know that don't like kids.  

OK, I'm kidding.  Well, sort of, anyway.

Seriously, however, the best way to catch fish is to go where the fish are. If you live in the desert, move to the seashore. And if you want an atheist without kids, I'd suggest a more liberal part of the country.  Just a thought.  Good luck to you.

Very true.  Unfortunately my job is almost ideal for my temperament and for my training.  I've been here long enough that I'm in the golden-cage phase of life, in terms of defined-benefit pension (quit now, and bye-bye pension!).  The social life was never great here, but when I had a secure marriage, our life as a couple was sufficiently fulfilling to obviate the need for much external socializing, like barbeques or dinner/movies or the symphony orchestra.  Now, living the separated/divorced life, suddenly those social outlets matter vastly more.  Moving to a more liberal part of the country would improve my social life and my romantic prospects, but would be devastating career-wise.  The irony is that this region is economically depressed, so a potential mate would have difficulty finding a job here. 

A former supervisor at work was an indefatigable source of sage advice.  One of my favorites: "Life is all about choices".  Well, yes.  We have a choice between the comfortable and familiar, or the new and the risky but tantalizing.  My "ex"-wife and I had that discussion often.  She wanted to flush the marriage down the toilet because of tantalizing prospects of improving her life with a different spouse, one who would breed more, spend more, and bloviate less.  Whereas I would rather have the bird in the hand, so to speak.  Choices....  well, maybe once this divorce thing is finalized, I'll reorient my priorities and won't be so risk-averse.

Might I ask - from what region do you hail?  Before moving to Ohio, I lived in Los Angeles and the Washington DC metro area.  Neither were particularly liberal, despite their reputation.




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