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Comment by Joseph P on June 14, 2012 at 4:38pm
The core of what he stands for is states rights. If you disagree with him on that point, then I wouldn't say you agree with 95% of what he says. And if you agree with his stance on states rights, then I stand corrected. Then, you are just as insane and horrifying as him, because that will result in the loss of rights for women, gays, and other minorities across well over half of the country.
Comment by Gary Trieste on June 14, 2012 at 4:25pm


Well that is wrong from a libertarian POV.

It is not an issue with libertarianism, it is an issue with the idiocy that make people not respect the individuality of others.

As to coming off in a negative way, by now I would hope you understand I am far from a negative person, and quite open to many ways. I have my own standards for a mate, but that has little to do with being a good person or not, or libertarianism.

You should be aware of the very type of prejudices you carry around with you that you pillory in others. You just have prejudice for different things.

You had already presumed SO much about me, that you had me pegged as such.


Ron Paul is as close to a libertarian as you can get without starting to argue the very fine points on the periphery of libertarian philosophy.

I don't agree with everything he says, but a good 95% of it.

Comment by Shannon Equality Barber on June 14, 2012 at 4:15pm

Unchecked Capitalism is frightening too me, Joseph. I realize that Ron Paul isn't representative, nor is the Tea Party. However, both of those are the faces of their parties, and the parties seem to be falling in line. That Ayn Rand stuff is insane (and yes, I have read Atlas Shrugged, several times).

Comment by Joseph P on June 14, 2012 at 4:11pm
As for the states rights thing ... Ron Paul isn't a real Libertarian, either. You can't use what he says as an example, any more than you can use the Tea Party. Libertarians are scary, but they're not as scary as the insanity that Ron Paul would unleash upon the country.
Comment by Shannon Equality Barber on June 14, 2012 at 4:11pm

The thing is, there SHOULD NOT have to be further legislation, but in 29 states, you can still be fired, evicted, and denied public services for being gay. Up that number to 34 for transgender. We can't get married, and many states, all the southern states, in fact, bar same sex couples via state constitutions from marriage and from adopting kids together. I think it's safe to say that the stance libertarians take on the issue is way off.

Yes, we are all who we are. But, when you put yourself out there, and you come off in a negative way, expect people to say so, particularly people who fall into one or more categories of what you seem to be looking for. I think there is some naivete in there on your part, yes.

Comment by Gary Trieste on June 14, 2012 at 4:07pm


At this point, I don't care - I am who I am, what can you do?

I am sure there is a lady out there who is a perfect match for me.

And . . libertarians DO NOT take a states rights approach on liberties, including gay rights.


Now I know how badly the US public needs to know WTF libertarianism is about. We in these circles know it so well by heart we have no idea of the common misconceptions that run about in the common American psyche.

There shouldn't have to be any further legislation guaranteeing gay people their rights. The constitution already protects their rights - but since most people don't respect the constitution on its face, then I would say there should be federal legislation affirmatively stating it as such.

And no, I am not a bad guy at all. Of course that depends on what you define as "bad". Some people define all atheists as bad. Maybe you can relate ;-)

I am just a naive, perhaps too enthusiastic person. The kind of enthusiasm that most people lose at 19 year old.

Comment by Joseph P on June 14, 2012 at 4:06pm
Shannon, you're confusing Libertarians with those Tea Party shit-heads. The Tea Party isn't Libertarian, even if they've stolen the label. Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative/delusional.
Comment by Shannon Equality Barber on June 14, 2012 at 3:59pm

*sigh* I don't think you are a bad guy, I think you perhaps reeeaaalllyyy don't get how you come off. This thread is not gonna do you any favors with the ladies here. I can only speak for myself, and of course the other women in this thread have answered in kind..good luck. 

Comment by Shannon Equality Barber on June 14, 2012 at 3:57pm

Libertarians take a "states rights" stance on everything, or so it seems. That includes gay rights. In other words, they do not believe that federal legislation should be used to gain discrimination and hate crimes protections and marriage equality for LGBT Americans. Furthermore, your head honcho, Ron Paul, is a flaming bigot.

Comment by Gary Trieste on June 14, 2012 at 3:55pm



That is the answer I was looking for!!!

I didn't want to feed you any suggestions, I really wanted to know what you thought w/o any further thought.

That's why I was a little cagey.

It is amazing you think that libertarians are not for gay rights; this is part of my study. 

Where did you get the idea that libertarians were in any way against gay rights?? OMG (using god as a metaphor of course ;-) It is actually one of the distinguishing hallmark characteristics of conservative republicans vs libertarians.

I myself have written articles in libertarian publications touting the absolute right of gay people having the same presumptive rights as heteros. Jeesh.

My current best friend is gay. Jeesh again!!

On that YOU need to educate yourself. 

On the other things of which I am not an expert, I will educate myself, as per your suggestions and other here.

Again, I am never too proud to learn things I just don't know.


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