Aussie, Kiwi & South Pacific Atheists


Aussie, Kiwi & South Pacific Atheists

A group for networking and friendship between atheists in the Australian/New Zealand/South Pacific region, and for discussion of political and religious topics relevant to these regions.

Members: 340
Latest Activity: Mar 1

Aussie, Kiwi and South Pacific Atheists

This group is hosted by Richard J and Chrys Stevenson

Another High Court Challenge Against the National School Chaplaincy Program


Breaking News! After successfully challenging the Commonwealth government in the High Court of Australia over funding for the National School Chaplaincy Scheme, Ron Williams is to take them on again.  In an attempt to circumvent the High Court ruling, the government has passed some extremely questionable legislation which tears at the heart of parliamentary democracy and public accountability.  Williams has consulted with his crack legal team and the decision has been made today (Saturday, 7 July) to mount another challenge.

For more information see here:

Mounting a High Court challenge is extremely expensive and Ron Williams is just an average, suburban Dad.  If all of us who care about a secular, democratic Australia can chip in as much as we can, it will help enormously.  Please consider donating at:

This is your chance to be a part of making Australian Constitutional history!

Embiggen Books - Your Australian Atheist/Skeptical Bookshop

Embiggen Books, an Australian bookstore devoted to promoting science, philosophy, rationalism and skepticism is now on Little Lonsdale Street, Melbourne. Warren Bonett and Kirsty Bruce of Embiggen are also passionate and active members of the atheist and skeptical communities.

Australian Atheist Issues

For new members, if you want to get a grasp of some of the issues effecting atheists in Australia, you might like to take a look at the Atheist Nexus (Australia) submission on "Freedom of Religion and Belief in the 21st Century" made to the Australian Human Rights Commission early last year. It's long, but easy reading, and worth spending some time on. A report, using information compiled from submissions, should be released later this year.

Atheist Meetup Groups - Australia

If you'd like to meet up with some local atheists, there's no better way than joining your local Atheist Meetup, Skeptics, or Freethought Groups:

Adelaide Atheists
Ballarat Atheists
Brisbane Atheists
Canberra Social Skeptics
Melbourne Atheists
Launceston Skeptics
Macarthur Atheists (Macarthur Region, Sydney (NSW)
Perth Atheists
Perth Skeptics
Sunshine Coast Atheists
Sydney Atheists
Sydney Freethinkers
Western Sydney Freethinkers
Wollongong Skeptics Society

Have we missed your meetup group? Just let me know and I'll add it in.

Discussion Forum

Question from a visitor.

Started by Ted E Bear. Last reply by Chrys Stevenson Jan 17, 2013. 6 Replies

Naughty corner for not attending R.E? Yes, this is in NZ folks!!!

Started by Therese Monteath-Carr. Last reply by Blamer on twitter Dec 10, 2012. 3 Replies

Pell v Dawkins: this Monday

Started by Phillip A. Ellis. Last reply by Alice Apr 17, 2012. 3 Replies

Any Hamiltonian skeptics out there?

Started by Leela Moses Nov 16, 2011. 0 Replies

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Comment by CaptainCook on December 31, 2010 at 6:46pm

Someone else might have mentioned this point, but--


Re 'SRE': One of my (atheist) adult children commented that she might have no objection to her kids attending SRE classes, if thet was what they were--classes teaching about religions--simply informing kids about, say, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, Islam . . . but the classes teach only about Christianity (and seek to indoctrinate). Therefore the SRE is a misnomer. This should be called as it is: SCE--Special CHRISTIAN Education.

Comment by CaptainCook on December 31, 2010 at 6:41pm

For atheists campaigning for Julian Assange and Wikileaks, some ammunition:


Why Barack Obama is devoted to destroying Wikileaks, Julian Assange and Bradley Manning

Obama wants to convince people that the true criminals are those who expose acts of high-level political corruption and criminality, rather than those who perpetrate them.

By Glenn Greenwald
24 December 2010

What motivates the US government's devotion to destroying Wikileaks?

It's unsurprising that political leaders would want to convince people that the true criminals are those who expose acts of high-level political corruption and criminality, rather than those who perpetrate
them.  Every political leader would love for that self-serving piety to
take hold.  But what's startling is how many citizens and, especially,
"journalists" now vehemently believe that as well.  

The vast bulk of the outrage has been devoted not to the crimes that have been exposed but rather to those who exposed them:  WikiLeaks and (allegedly) Bradley Manning. 

In light of what WikiLeaks has revealed to the world about numerous governments, just fathom the authoritarian mindset that would lead a citizen -- and especially a "journalist" -- to react with anger that
these things have been revealed; to insist that these facts should have
been kept concealed and it'd be better if we didn't know; and, most of
all, to demand that those who made us aware of it all be punished
(the True Criminals) while those who did these things
(The Good Authorities) be shielded.

Printed below are just some of the truths that led WikiLeaks -- and whoever the leaker(s) is -- to sacrifice their own interests in order to disclose these secrets to the world.


Christian Science Monitor, April 5, 2010:

Daily Mail, April 7, 2010:

The Guardian, October 22, 2010:

The Guardian, October 22, 2010:

Foreign Policy, November 29, 2010:

Mother Jones, December 1, 2010:

El Pais, November 30, 2010:


TRANSLATIONU.S. maneuvered to stop High Court cases:   American embassy issued threats over the cases of 'Guantanamo', 'Couso' and 'CIA flights' - Politicians and Spanish prosecutors collaborated on
the strategy

Will Bunch, The Philadelphia Inquirerresponding to the cables from Spain, December 1, 2010:

ACLU, November 20, 2010:

Der Spiegel, December 9, 2010:

Ellen Knickmeyer, ex-Washington Post Baghdad Bureau Chief, The Daily Beast, October 25, 2010:


Sydney Morning Herald, November 29, 2010:

Salon, December 9, 2010:

BBC, December 17, 2010:

BBC, December 22, 2010:

Reuters, December, 1, 2010:

MSNBC, December 11, 2010:

The Guatemala Times, November 28, 2010:

CBS News, November 29, 2010:

The Guardian, November 30, 2010:

Eugene Robinson, The Washington Post, July 27, 2010:

The Guardian, July 25, 2010:


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Comment by Luke on December 30, 2010 at 5:06am
Thanks for swinging by Rigbyt.  A friend was chatting via messenger saying that she was reading my comments. After a while I figured out that they'd actually printed three of my comments from yesterday in today's paper. I'm in print! :) Only one American bigot comment got in. They printed my old testament jokes!
Comment by Luke on December 29, 2010 at 6:12pm
Comment by Luke on December 29, 2010 at 6:12pm

Thanks Chrys.


Your post has me all air-punchy and "Go Chrys"-y.  That guy is such a troll! He's got me all tongue tied with anger.


It's only a little article in a little paper but it would be giving local people an excuse to hate GLBT people. I can't save the world, only my little bit.


He posted a link to a yahoo blog which has 5 posts. I think it's his. The (cherry picked) references are at the end of those 5 posts. 

Comment by Chrys Stevenson on December 29, 2010 at 6:04pm
Here ya go, Luke - they published it. Wasn't sure they would:

Posted by Kooka from Maroochydore, Queensland
30 December 2010 9:49 a.m. | Suggest removal » | Post reply »
Semoyn-suslov59 says: " ... serious health concerns associated with same-sex behaviour ... As the science shows, homosexual behavior, whether its in committed relationships or out of them, simply doesn't fit this standard."

First, what science and what standard? You just throw that out casually with no references whatsoever to peer reviewed studies from credible scientific or medical journals.

*All* sexual behaviour carries risks. It may be true that anal sex carries a higher risk of transmission for some diseases, but a) not all same-sex couples (not even all male same-sex couples) have anal sex, b) many heterosexual couples enjoy anal sex and c) most risks can be managed or prevented.

And since when do we decide whether or not to recognize one's right to marry based on the health risks of the participants? The major cause of deaths in Australia are cardiovascular diseases, cancer, injury and respiratory diseases - all of which may be related to obesity. A recent large US study showed that married people are more likely to become obese than single people, or even people living together. By your reasoning, as marriage is linked with obesity which causes serious health problems, we shouldn't let anyone marry.

Heterosexual sex comes with the risk of pregnancy, that's a pretty big health risk in itself!

I have more respect for outright bigots than those who choose to hide their bigotry behind 'science' and false reasoning.
Comment by Chrys Stevenson on December 29, 2010 at 5:52pm
Done the best I can. Most 'science' on gay sexual health seem to be put out by the Catholic Church - what a surprise! Also, much of the research (at least that available online) is very dated. Have attacked the reasoning rather than the science (as he provides no links).
Comment by Luke on December 29, 2010 at 4:46pm

Hi All


I need a bit of help over here.  I've got some anti-gay guy spruiking sciencey sounding rubbish. I'm out of my depth.





Comment by CaptainCook on December 23, 2010 at 1:35am


Fellow atheists--please be involved! And support Julian Assange and Wikileaks.

Comment by Chrys Stevenson on December 22, 2010 at 5:37pm
Thanks Richard. If anyone's interested in my reply to Father Tim Moyle who recently speculated on the reason why atheists are so grumpy, you can read it here:

PZ Myers has also written a response. The link is at the bottom of my blog post.

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