I was a college student in China for about 4 months in 1989 and during the brutality at Tian An Men Square. I had been traveling from university to university during the many large and peaceful demonstrations throughout the cities and rural areas. When I finally got to Beijing University, it was late in May, 1989, where I stayed until June 4th. There were, as reported, over one million people in Tian An Men. Marshall Law had been declared some time in April, as I recall; students and workers alike, everywhere I went, were protesting Deng Xiao Ping's government for more freedoms, most especially freedom of speech. The trains were often delayed for many hours due to protests, sometimes someone would strap themselves to a rail track in protest, and I remember clearly the hunger strikes. The government-run television stations altogether ignored any strife and robotically praised farmers for increases in rice, wheat or potato yields; they would also report on "heroic activities" such as a brave young boy that saved a poor woman's cat from a tree.

Well, I went back to China in 1992 as a graduate; I was an intern for an American college Professor who taught politics with an emphasis on US-USSR-USA Relations (this was also my area of focus in my University and the main studies for which I received my college degree). An enormous amount had changed in the way of economic growth and development then as now, but certainly not for the issues of freedom of speech.

My third and final visit to China was in 1994-1995 as University teacher. I chose a small fishing village called Weihai in the northwestern part of Shandong Province, right on the Yellow Sea. I was the first white person to live in that town; I was so foreign in fact, that many farmers (known as "peasants") asked me if I was Korean (since Korea is right across the Yellow Sea). My students were all, every one of them, from the countryside, which meant that they were all peasants. Well, the fact is that the peasants, which comprise about 85% of China's huge population (and most of China's standing army, i.e. military) truly believe what they are told by the government. Every last one of them buys it all, hook, line and sinker. They have all been taught to fervently believe in Marxist economics, Mao Zedong Thought, Vladimir Lenin Communism; THEY BELIEVE ALL OF IT. This is a VAST POWER TO HOLD. This is precisely why Deng Xiao Ping was able to 1. round up his fully brainwashed army, (all peasants from the countryside that had been told that there were some "very bad people" trying to destroy their country)...2. place them in tanks, 3. TOTALLY ISOLATE all of them within the walls of the Forbidden City in Beijing, i.e.. away from the protesters that might be able to convince them of REALITY, and at last, 4. use the army to crush, to literally roll over the protesters. IT WORKED!!

Yet OPPRESSION is NEVER FOREVER. Ever hear of "PANDORA'S BOX?!?! It's happening RIGHT NOW before our very eyes, even here in "FREEDOM-LOVING" (BULLSHIT) AMERICA!!!

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Lol. Communism can only be achieved worldwide. China was socialist (the transition phase between capitalism and communism) from 1949-1976, but after the coup it is apparent to anyone who investigates that China is a capitalist country. It’s clear that you’ve never engaged the works of Marx, Lenin, or Mao (or of contemporary Maoists who've advanced the science of MLM). Let me give you your first lesson by means of a quote from Mao:

“No investigation, no right to speak.”

I don’t have time to type the book of text that is needed to get into these topics properly right now. Here is a video talk by professor Dongping Han who lived in China during the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution. You have been lied to about what communism is about.

You are...WRONG.  I know very WELL what the INTENDED results of Communism were to be;  The works of Marx and Lenin.  THAT is what I HAVE STUDIED MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.  TRUE "COMMUNISM" was NEVER implemented, nor will it EVER BE IMPLEMENTED because HUMANS, i.e. RAPACIOUS PRIMATES,  got and WILL GET in the way.  Don't you DARE be ARROGANT with ME; YOU have NO CLUE whatsoever just what it is that I KNOW...
You are deluded and not honest. Just in the other thread you spoke admirably of the Black Panther Party..anyone who has studied communism beyond the typical college brainwashing session would know that the Black Panther Party were Maoists!!! We're done speaking Christina.
And BY THE WAY, whom EVER you are, or whomever you THINK you are, do not EVER feel FREE to talk to ME or ANY ONE ELSE that way; with your angry, venomous, self-righteousness and your seething contempt. It's BULLSHIT. And I will be PERFECTLY CLEAR: I'll TAKE YOU DOWN EVERY FUCKING TIME.
GOD, I cannot STAND the likes of you stupid-to-the-core MORONS who actually have the NERVE to think that it is YOU who have the so-called answers.  You are EXACTLY like a TOTALLY- UNDEVELOPED-IN-THE-BRAIN, IDIOT two-year-old spoilt BRAT and the ACTUAL FACT is that you KNOW NOTHING.  You people, every last one of the likes of you, ride through your IGNORANT lives, deriding any FACTS that CHALLENGE your IDIOTIC BRAINS, riding moronically on your self-made and totally IGNORANT stances on NOTHING.  You, MORON, are the truly dangerous one.
The history of Marxism and socialism as social analysis and movements is much broader than the limited purview of the Chinese Stalinists. The peasants know less about Marxism than even the Chinese intelligentsia, who are now busy rehabilitating Confucianism as a deflection from a corrupt political order that has become the biggest exploiter of labor on the planet. Per the old Daoist adage, "Reversal is the movement of the Dao", it was inevitable that the most extreme, reckless pseudo-revolutionism of the Cultural Revolution would turn into its opposite, the most rabid, greedy, cynical ruling class of our time outside of the USA.
Professor Dongping Han lived in the countryside in China during the highest point in human history (The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution), and he tells a very different tale than the capitalist slogans you recite here.


Of course now China is a brutal capitalist regime as of 1976 following the coup. And only those who see communism as a doctrine rather than a science argue that we do things exactly how they were done in China. Of course there were mistakes made and many lessons to be learned from studying the, by far, most advanced revolutionary movement against capitalism that has existed.




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