Opinion: Abbotsford Atheists Have A Member Training At The Canadian School of Natural Nutrition

I’m a new memeber at Atheists Skeptics Humanists of Abbotsford sometimes shortened to Abbotsford Atheists. A short time ago I went on the facebook page to look at profile photos to try to put some names with faces of people I’ve met. I noticed a picture with a persons name, and “Canadian School of Natural Nutrition” beside it.

It raised a flag so I decided to check out the school despite the person in question being a member for months. It's all woo to me.

When I talked to another member he assured me everything was alright. He said the student is a nutritionist and something about being a case study as part of the training. The student/member happened to be working out of a three person office, that had a homeopath.

Please let me know if I’m being overly skeptical, but as I had already uncovered what I thought was damning information, I’d like to get some feedback/comments if you don’t mind.

Hear are some snippets from some courses http://csnn.ca/programs/rhn-program/rhn-courses/

(Skepdic.com is a good place to find information about some of the treatments.)

-fasting and detoxification

-orthomolecular practice in the pursuit of mental health

-physical diseases have related emotional, psychological and/or spiritual links

-the anatomy of the human energy system, the anatomy of an individual's spirit

-the deep interworkings of body, mind and spirit

-course provides an overview of the five kingdoms of life

-make nutritional recommendations based on his/her assessment of a client's pathologies

-how to conceive and raise a healthy child

-provides alternative health care recommendations (such as dietary, nutritional supplementation, and environmental detoxification),

-controversial issue of vaccinations (amongst others) is discussed

-course explores in detail the emotional, social, physical and spiritual factors

-major causes of pollution and the existing threats to both the Earth's and the human immune systems

-teaches the student methods of assessing nutritional literature for credibility, accuracy and political biases

Snippets from some more workshops and courses http://csnn.ca/programs/advanced-nutrition/an-courses/

-(3) alkalinizing and detoxification protocols, (4) the principles of psychoneuroimmunology

-the specialized cancer treatment program, the Gerson Therapy

-the intricate connection between nutritional deficiencies and mood disorders

-the link between mood and such things as amino acids, endorphins, neurotransmitters, hypoglycemia, allergies, thyroid function, adrenal function, and genetics

- how to differentiate between false moods and true emotions and explores the types of disorders for which “The Mood Cure” is and is not appropriate

-help students better determine suitable nutritional approaches to take with clients suffering illnesses such as depression, anxiety and bipolar disorder.

-designed to introduce holistic nutritionists to the principles of herbal medicine

- introduces the student to the Ayurvedic principles of health and nutrition

-4) the relationship between the environment, hormones, nutrition, psychospiritual health, immunity and breast cancer,

-introduction to the history and philosophy of Bach flower remedies

-second part introduces aromatherapy and the many therapeutic uses of essential oils

-as well as fun and inexpensive ways to create personal body and hair care products.

-from pesticides and power lines to the products of our own metabolisms, thoughts and emotions

-make detoxification a necessary commitment for health in the modern world

-a basic knowledge of the history and complementary practice of homeopathy

-address homeopathy specific to nutritional ailments and provide students with an overview of a limited number of remedies, tissue salts and oligo-elements that can be safely used in their own practices.

-topics that give the holistic nutritionist the basis to determine for themselves whether specific supplement brands are safe and effective

-(2) the science and effects of mindfulness, and; (3) mindful eating practices

The school is also listed on Quackwatch “I view the following with considerable distrust.”  (http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/nonrecorg.html)

Tree part series and postscript (nutritionists in Canada incl. CSNN):





CSNN mentioned at  http://winnipegskeptics.com/2011/11/15/potent-nonsense/

The person is apparently an atheist, but I don’t feel comfortable with someone that represents much of the thinking I’d like to see stamped out, If this stuff is junk science, as I believe, what would you do. If I'm wrong/crazy, or if there's good evidence to the contrary please elucidate me. Thanks.

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Being an atheist is only to do with lacking a belief in any gods. Being a skeptic does not necessarily make you an atheist. Is your meetup require being an atheist, skeptic and humanist?

Yes all that stuff is woo woo and that member would fail at being a real skeptic! They may want to take a crash course in skepticism.

Those schools are scams and are soaking them for money. And then their clients soak the dumb public for their money.


I'd say, go get that crap! Stamp out the woo! Try to enlighten him in the scams he is following. But then if he does change his ways, he will be out of a job. Oh well, shit happens.

Anyone who goes to that school and practices what they teach are selling woo. It is just like getting indoctrinated into a religion and preaching it. All the stuff they teach is woo.

Yes, don't attack the person but do destroy their beliefs.

If they believe in the woo woo, then they are not skeptics. There is no evidence supporting their shit. (or most of it) and some of their crap is untestable too.

Homeopathy is sh!t, but if you don't believe it'll work, you don't get the benefit of even the placebo effect... 

I saw a few things that have scientific backing on there, so the course isn't 100% bogus. I'm new here, so I'm wondering what the problem is? Are you trying to stomp on this person's beliefs? Or his/her future client's beliefs? There are plenty of people who pursue education as a method of understanding the perspective of The Others. I think that if you're friends with this person, you should accept that they have their reasons, and either support them or leave it alone.


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