Chariots of Iron Season 01, Episode 35: The COI2009 so you don't forget the code episode

The Atheist Alliance International's convention director and Rochester Atheism Examiner Viktor Nagornyy joins us this week to tell us a little bit about their convention in Burbank California beginning on October second. We talk about the cavalcade of speakers that will be in attendance and Viktor even hooks us up with our own SUPER SECRET SPECIAL CHARIOTS OF IRON CODE that will get you 10% $10 off the price of admission when you sign up online!

Don't say we never did nothin' for ya.

But before that, of course we have some news for you: faith healing quackery, the "stuff that sits in front of the zoo" single-single issue voter platform sweeps Oklahoma, the Yale Press needs a magnifying glass to find its balls, more drama over the burqa (wee!), Afghanistan promotes its new diet plan and we are convinced quite quickly that no one sings worse than Rabbis.

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...our own SUPER SECRET SPECIAL CHARIOTS OF IRON CODE that will get you 10% off the price of admission...

Actually, that's $10 off, not 10%.

Joe, when you get a chance you may want to change that :P
I am a moron.

That is all.
Joe can you tell me more about this CFI thing
I live in portland myself so yeah seems like a rip-roaring good time.

As par the discussion right after about being Athiest or Agonistic, I think the Dawkins 7 milestones answers this best. And like him im a number 6. But as Lamar says I'm an Athiest by belief and and Agonistic in scienctific term as I dont KNOW there is no god its just really unlikely.

1. Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung, "I do not believe, I know."

2. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. De facto theist. "I cannot know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."

3. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. Technically agnostic but leaning towards theism. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."

4. Exactly 50 per cent. Completely impartial agnostic. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equi-probable."

5. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. Technically agnostic but leaning towards atheism. "I don't know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be sceptical."

6. Very low probability, but short of zero. De facto atheist. "I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."

7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung "knows" there is one."
I've been a fan of the 7 degree Dawkins scale since I first saw it in The God Delusion. I would certainly be a 6, and I'd venture to guess that most of us here would rank the same. To be a 7 would require a rather silly statement of faith and 5 offers greater probability to the the question of God's existence than it deserves. Number 4 is an absurd position that I can't imagine anyone taking seriously since it ignores the belief question.
Number 7 i reserve for those rebel "atheists" that are in highschool and dont really disbelief in god for any reason other then to rebel. For me and (apperently my eye doctor whom i had a huge discussion with) Just saying your an Atheist is not enough, why are you an atheist?

I myself am an outgoing atheist I tell everybody...well not my big bosses lol. But my supervisor whom is a funddie knows I'm an athiest and we talk about it almost daily in my attempt to explain to him science. (You know the whole something from nothing argument) But hes a good guy and accepts me for who I am. Saying to me, "God will show himself to you soon."

The point of that ramble (something we have in common) was to say Dont fear your atheism. I'm just waiting for somebody to ask me do you believe in god so i can say.

"Of course not."
BTW, I was watching the o reily factor, dont ask me why. Texas made law about teaching the bible in school manadory (but it is an elective).
What's "mandatory" is offering it in schools.

It is not "mandatory" for students to take it (thus it being an elective).

Oh, and I'm a 6.
Thats what I meant but it doesnt matter what parent in texas (other then Aronra) will opt out of that. Bleh. 2 steps foward 10 pushed back.
I actually like the idea of public schools teaching the Bible, so long as it's taught as literature or mythology. In Texas, I doubt it will get the treatment I would prescribe.
Maybe your right because i was taught the bible as a kid. And i knew Noahs ark was freakin i mean how big would it have to be. Idk
I still dont want it in school. I mean school was boring enough for most, why make it worst by teaching storys that have no historical evidence what so ever.

Its like me having a Video Game class and teaching the storys of halo and Warcraft and other things like that.
I always rather enjoyed Greek, Roman and Norse mythologies as well as some Native American mythologies. The Jewish, Muslim and Christian mythologies, while a lot less interesting, are still worthwhile from an anthropological perspective.
By the way, I'd like to issue a correction for this episode. I said that the charity that Brad Pitt founded had made 150 houses and wanted to make a thousand, or something like that.

They have actually made 15 houses and want to make 150.

I don't know where my brain was on that one.




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